Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

They also tend to be strong supporters of free speech and belief so that works against a lot of GI.

Badenoch may oppose GI, but she's no fan of free speech.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to annoy TRAs on SM by telling them they are a triumph of Thatcherite individualism.

That's my tactic when political parties come a knocking. I open with "Have you heard what the Tories are doing to women's rights?" They've all engaged and I take it from there. It's a useful strategy.

Identity politics, of which this is an offshoot, is a longstanding target of criticism from Marxists. And some of the more left-wing organisations, individuals & publications have taken a GC position. I imagine they'd argue that 'the left' now isn't really very 'left' at all and also that right-of-centre critiques come from a much wider position of 'traditional family values', rather than a concern for women (& possibly a cynical way to try and maintain power).

There are libertarian pro-trans positions, although a lot is US, they won't all consider themselves on the left (they may reject left/right as a concept) & they may use different definitions of libertarianism. I'd agree that they wouldn't expect the government to be funding or pushing GI, but only because they don't think it should be doing anything.

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/condition-transgender-women-libertarian-perspectives

https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/the-libertarian-case-for-lgbt-rights

https://www.lp.org/gender-self-determination-is-not-governments-business/
https://www.transadvocate.com/5-questions-libertarian-feminism-and-trans-people_n_10038.htm

Anyway, I'm going to continue to annoy TRAs on SM by telling them they are a triumph of Thatcherite individualism 😁

Yes.

Have YouGov got rid of the daily poll?

It seems to be chat now which isn’t my thing

It is an argument, but I don't think a very persuasive one.

There are undoubtedly certain individuals who are in it wholly for themselves, narcissists and grifters. But those people jump on any movement that seems like it could give them power, whatever the political stripe.

But I've seen very little push around gender ideology among libertarians. SOme will argue that adults should have very free access to medical transition - provided they pay for it themselves. But few will argue the other parts about socially provided care, transition for kids, or the "gender feelings" bit. They also tend to be strong supporters of free speech and belief so that works against a lot of GI.

You have to do the survey to see the comments (you can just answer dont know throughout)

And cant remember much of comments but that at the time thought it odd many agreed in the survey section with her view points, but the acutal comments were all about her being a liar.

I can't see the comments. Did anyone mention Kneecap @IwantToRetire?

Wouldn't want to vote Labour or Tory (whoever is in charge).

However, I don't want women's rights decimated so have to vote Tory (this time only hopefully) to stop the crackpots in Labour (lunatics, asylum etc.) setting us back over 100 years.

As said up thread, I was more bemused by the comments in the Chat survey, because despite many thinking the policies she supports are good, it was the comments about her being a liar etc., that made me wonder.

Because on FWR, even those who in principle dont support her because she is a Tory, I got the feeling most thought her honest and straighforward.

But in the world outside of the FWR she is apparently seen as a liar.

Still looking at Canada and Australia (also see Spain, Scotland & Wales) as models of what happens when a socialist gender-supporting gov gets power. Don’t love the tories, but I’d put up with quite a lot of shit to keep my children safe from that.

N O W A Y

Here's Alicia Kearns writing about it.
https://conservativehome.com/2021/12/07/alicia-kearns-lets-interrogate-the-attacks-on-the-conversion-therapy-ban/

Versus Starmer et al? Yes, absolutely

Since this is in the feminist section I remember hearing a female politician say it would be good when women have a range of views from left to right in the same way as men do

It’s good they differ, we start to get women across the board

I don't like Kemi Badenoch policies or her voting record, and wouldn't vote for her based on that. But I don't fear her because she seems to be an honest politician. I think she could be persuaded to change her mind on many issues, if you could present her with a factual argument.

Penny Mordaunt and other fair weather politicians scare me in a way I find difficult to explain. I can't trust politicians who don't do politics based on facts or their political beliefs, and are prepared to use the HOC in the way she did - to be popular with the other officers in her mess.

Of course you don't have to justify yourself. It would be interesting to hear your reasons, especially since so many people wouldn't vote for. And especially since we know she actually isn't very honest (see trade deals for an example).

They were taken over some time ago by right-wing fanatics from the Brexit party/UKIP and got rid of many decent, honourable MPs.
They haven't been Conservative for some time.
Margaret Thatcher would treat most of the current shower with contempt.

Odd to think that they'd regard her as left wing and wet.

Well it’s been comprehensively swallowed by the centre left now

The UK is pushing back a bit which is good

Whether that will last is concerning

There's an argument that it comes from the libertarian right. Privileges the rights of the individual over that of groups. And certainly driven by big business, global corporations etc, who aren't the natural friends of the left. Always amazes me when people on the left think it's somehow some kind of subversive or progressive position.

in answer to the OP. Nopety nope

Yes I would and I don't have to justify my decision to others, any more than those who wouldn't have to justify their decision to me. She generally speaks sense and is honest.

Would love to know why.

Yes I would vote for her.

I really don't know why anyone still thinks this. Especially after all the Tories have not done for women in the last 14 years. They're not exactly the party of support for women.

I have to consider voting tory now because Labour will destroy womens rights - if Mordaunt was their leader it would guarantee I spoil my ballot paper again.

I’d far rather have the opportunity to vote for a party led by Badenoch than one with Mordaunt at the helm.