Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

I guess you don’t live in Wales

Erm, they came into government in 2010, or were you not aware? Oh dear!

You're welcome. Guessing you didn't lose loved ones in the pandemic, kids in leaking schools with zero experienced staff, have loved ones face racism due to the government's rhetoric and end up on a ridiculously long NHS waiting list ruining your quality of life because the NHS has been chronically underfunded with no incentive to work in a dangerous environment. Lucky old you eh!!

Nothing to stop another case from the ECHR which says that the government is wrongly allowing too many exceptions.

And obviously the situation we have already is a problem.

Go on, name ONE good thing the Tories have done since 2010.

The ECHR has impacted our society though. Via the case that resulted in the GRA

Yes, but The U.K. wrote the legislation and it specifically allows single sex spaces, sports etc.

The decision revolves around article 8 - right to a private life, and that is not absolute.

Interestingly, why are you all so obsessed with trans people not having rights? Does it actually affect you really? It's worth a debate for sure, but get a life, far more important issues for the country, this is a Tory diversion tactic for people that have little knowledge on politics.

Tories are pure pure evil, they have ruined our lives and think it's hilarious. I hope they all get their commupence but they never will. I wouldn't vote for her in a billion years. Or any of them. Because I care about humans and our planet.

The ECHR has impacted our society though. Via the case that resulted in the GRA

Which still causes problems

All cases that go to the ECHR are seeking a different decision to UK or other national courts. If it didn’t take different decisions it would be obselete.

What private gain did Martin Luther benefit from?

Religious bodies use the Bible/divine instruction to make decisions.

The ECHR uses the convention on human rights.

Which bits of the convention are supposed to be problematic? Which decisions would be taken differently by a U.K. court?

I mean, you could definitely compare what's going on to the Reformation - citing lofty principle as a reason to get the population behind tearing down long-held institutions for the purpose of private gain.

This is just Brexit II really - persuading people that there's an international boogeyman to be defeated, rather than national politicians taking responsibility for making decisions that piss some people off.

No, not like the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition.

A judicial body (the Pope) elected (by Cardinals) from countries that sign up to the it (the Catholic Church) who produced rulings on whether legislation upheld what was understood at the time to be good and correct?

Aus and NZ are doing well.

On ECHR I don’t think they are corrupt as such (just unaccountable and fallible)

But I do see a divergence between the society I want, ie not where we are currently which is based on a legal lie - which is instilled by the legal framework we need to adhere to by ECHR

I’ll trace back from the extreme event to see why we are here. And that’s where it lands.

The downstream impact of the Goodwin ECHR ruling is playing out at this very moment with FWR Scotland arguing an appeal against what is effectively a ban on single sex spaces.

Are you serious? Good lord.

Really? Actually really? Like the Spanish inquisition and Crusades etc - you think that's equivalent to the ECHR?

Equivalent to a judicial body elected in regular terms by the nations who are signatories to it, who produce rulings on whether legislation upholds human rights?

I for one don't want to live in a country where the government can do anything it likes to me with no hope of redress, thanks.

Women’s rights to single sex spaces and sport

These aren’t rights.

However there are rights under which the argument could be made (E.g. right not to suffer discrimination) that these things should be legal and available.

Without a rights framework a government could legislate to ban both.

I don't know, I don't know enough about them tbh.

I don't see the point of leaving the ECHR though. It's been built up to be some corrupt terrible thing - it's not. They tell governments if they are acting within the set of rules they signed up to.

The judges are elected from across Europe from the full range of countries - likely to be less liberal than ours, tbh.

https://www.echr.coe.int/composition-of-the-court

No, I am talking about the Pope’s power prior to the reformation.

I wouldn't vote for any Tory and I certainly wouldn't vote for this culture war stoking , self publicising, piece of work with a voting record that shows she doesn't care about people or the environment.