Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-apologises-for-hosting-2010-holocaust-event-1427379

Mr Corbyn issued the apology after it emerged he had hosted a Holocaust Memorial Day event in 2010 at which speakers are said to have likened the actions of Israel in Gaza to Hitler’s regime.

The Labour leader acknowledged that he had appeared alongside people “whose views I completely reject” and apologised for the “concerns and anxiety” that caused.

He said: “The main speaker at this Holocaust Memorial Day meeting, part of a tour entitled ‘never again - for anyone’, was a Jewish Auschwitz survivor. Views were expressed at the meeting which I do not accept or condone.

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CAA chairman Gideon Falter was scathing about Mr Corbyn’s apology.

He said: “Jeremy Corbyn has spent his political career sharing stages with anti-Semites and honouring them.

“This apology rings utterly hollow. Mr Corbyn did not merely attend the event, he chaired it, and in response to the criticism of the Jewish community in 2010 he did not apologise.

“Only now, eight years late and under enormous pressure, has Mr Corbyn issued his mealy-mouthed apology. We do not believe him.”

That's terrible.

I didn't put inverted commas around crime, I put them around lies. You suggested it was Jeremy Corbyn's lies that caused this to happen to you. Are you suggesting he lied about the holocaust or something?

Yes

No, not if she stood on the corner of the street handing out £50 notes. Never.

I’m a teacher. Hell no.

No, I wouldn't.
Hate what they seem to be doing.
They just seem to be out for every minority going.
First it's speeches about "the boats", appealing to the racists.
Now it's speeches about trans people appealing to the transphobes.
(Not saying everyone is transphobe, blah blah blah, just like I'm not saying everyone is automatically racist for the boat speech)
They're dangerous.
No chance am I supporting them.

No.

An international organization is not more safe from error than a national organization. It isn't going to have more insight. And the fact that any nation signs up to an organization like that means they already recognize the concept of human rights.

I am really struggling to understand why you think that would be the case. If it were, we could ensure every country protected human rights by just having some kind of continental human rights court that would somehow have access to the Truth and impose the right decisions of nations. (Of course no nation would agree to be bound by such an organization unless they already recognized the concept of human rights.)

Of all the arguments for such an organization, and I think there are some strong ones, this is the one that seems to me to make the least sense.

I do think Kemi is motivated and out of all the politicians is actually pursuing change.

No one else is close. Lib Dem SNP Labour all actively against women, although the latter does a nice line in shhh we don’t talk about that.

Right now KB is the only one I can think of going for it. I’d be interested to hear if anyone o/s is doing the same at all.

They (men) are getting this access to female spaces under the very Govt that is proposing to stop this from happening.

Thats like me believing my former partner will no longer hit me because he promises he will not.

I support what you are demanding but i just do not believe that Kemi, Suella or Rishi will lift a finger to stop it, they ve been in power for so long and have done the square root of SFA.

Thank you. I have little tolerance for that kind of thing these days. Those kind of words come with consequences. I won't let it go.

I do always find the parallels between antisemites and misogynists fascinating - the same way both claim to be an experts in hatred they can never experience by virtue of being non-Jews/men, their unspoken assumption that Jews/women are lying for nefarious reasons, their vocal assumption that antisemites/misogynists are the real victims, their demands for Jews/women to 'prove' they're not making it all up (an entirely frivolous demand, as of course, no amount of proof, no matter how well documented or in what quantities, would ever pass muster with them, as their mind is made up before they ask for 'proof', and they ask only in order to disconcert, demoralise and waste the time of the Jewish person/woman they ask).

Sartre said it well on Jews - but he could have been writing about TRAs too.

It's no surprise how many of those attacking JK Rowling (a great friend to British Jews and fierce opponent of Corbyn for this reason) are also antisemites.

And your post is full of blatant lies about Jewish organisations.

Suggesting that well-respected, long-standing Jewish organisations are 'controlled' by Israel just makes you sound unhinged.

As to what crime (no inverted commas needed) I was a victim of, I was verbally abused in public (shouted and screamed at) while waiting for a train by a Corbyn fan, who spotted I was Jewish because I was reading a book about the Holocaust. Lovely people, Corbyn fans. Which is why David Duke is such a big Corbyn fan, of course. He can't get enough of Corbyn's support for Holocaust denialists.

And yes, I did report it. It was very frightening.

Not that you'd give a shit, @MadderthanMorris

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

You expect us to believe that you are incapable of googling and expect me to fill a thread on Kemi Badenoch with numerous examples of Corbyn's well-known and well-documented antisemitism? As though I were your unpaid research lackey?

Curious as to whether it's just Jews that you think can't define or recognise hatred directed against them, given you're posting on FWR? Do you also think that women can't define misogyny, and that men are the best judge of it, despite never experiencing it personally?

Or do you not? Is it just Jews you think are uniquely deceitful and/or stupid in making up claims of hate they receive?? And that random non-Jews, to whom it is not directed, are the best judge of whether it takes place or not??

I think your posts are very revealing - but not so much about Jeremy Corbyn - but about your own biases, which you seem bizarrely unaware of.

It is not even about using female spaces. They want women in those spaces as they use them.

What rights do TQ+ people (we're not just talking about trans people, this is a diverse group of people), currently not have?

Other than to be treated in all circumstances as the sex of their choice, and for male TQ+ people to use female spaces regardless of the impact on female people?

Honestly, what rights are we talking about here that are missing?

I looked at it, and it's talking about post operation.

It appears to say that the decision will have impacts on various areas including criminal justice. It also mentions that in the UK transsexuals were already being put in the prison of their gender identity.

So it seems to be suggestive that it would allow men into women’s prisons.

The concern was with transsexuals suffering anxiety and humiliation and having their sex revealed, and I don't see why that couldn't also easily apply to "needing" to be in women's spaces in a hospital or whatever. That seems like a straightforward argument that if you put them in the men's part of a hospital, you have revealed their sex.

Also, I note that they weren't happy about having to pay higher car insurance as they weren't recognised as female!

No. An election isn’t about 1 issue and the Tory party as a whole, over the last 13 years, has been utterly appalling and have run the UK into the ground. It will take decades to recover. There is no way I would vote for more of the same.

Sorry - a bit off topic

https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2019/may/01/jeremy-corbyn-rejects-antisemitism-claim-over-book-foreword

he’s rejecting the claim, but well…

So, after 2-3 years of relentless suggestion through the media that "Corbyn is an antisemite", a documentary commissioned by the BBC to precisely that end (that will be the BBC that I was informed upthread "favours Labour"), determined action by anti-Corbyn Labour MPs to exploit it and a report by the EHRC about it . . . despite you being part of the demographic supposedly most hurt by it, and assuring me that 85% of that demographic are as convinced of this fact as you are . . .

You can't provide one single piece of evidence, or quickly find one, to prove its veracity?

"Google is my friend" - yet when I Google "evidence that Jeremy Corbyn is antisemitic" all I get on the first page is links to mainstream media articles from the time about the "antisemitism crisis" in Labour (with no specifics whatsoever about Corbyn), and one article from the Times of Israel saying the Jewish Labour Movement had "filed a report" including nine acts of antisemitism by him, naming four of them, some of which are not in themselves antisemitic, and saying nothing whatsoever of what became of this report, what the evidence for it was or whether it was upheld or rejected. (It's now emerged that the Jewish Labour Movement at the time was effectively controlled by representatives of the Israeli embassy concerned about Corbyn's stance on Palestinian human rights.)

If you're that certain, surely there must be some clear, unequivocal things that he SAID or DID to that effect that you can tell me, musn't there?

What crime did you suffer due to "Jeremy Corbyn's lies", and what lies, exactly?

I really disagree that the Tories are the least dodgy turd floating by. I mean, most of them have recently been fined for breaking laws they made during a National crisis. The PM himself creates tax laws to boost his family's income, and even the UN thinks their policies on immigration are a bit, well, illegal. They're such dodgy turds they don't even float, they just dissipate in a diarrheaic miasma.