Page 13 | Trans women to be banned from female hospital wards

Imnobody4 · 2023-10-02T21:41:34+00:00

Yes¡ Just done a little victory dance. I hope it really is as good as it sounds. [[https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1708956051683295391?s=19&t=daMUSC8mbF_9sSi9ynIsIg https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1708956051683295391?t=daMUSC8mbF_9sSi9ynIsIg&s=19]] On Tuesday, Steve Barclay will announce proposals to push back against “wokery” in the health service that has led to women’s rights being increasingly sidelined.The changes would give men and women the right to be cared for on wards only shared by people of their own biological sex, and to have intimate care provided by those of the same sex.Mr Barclay said the plan would mean the return of “a common-sense approach to sex and equality”, ensuring that women’s dignity was protected and their voices heard.The proposals follow concerns from patients and staff about biological men being allowed on to women’s hospital wards. In 2021, NHS guidance said trans patients could be placed on single-sex wards on the basis of the gender with which they identified.

OldCrone · 03/10/2023 10:16

Whatwouldscullydo · 03/10/2023 09:34

We need to stop with this "feeling sorry for..." malarkey.

I thought they are all fully grown mentally stable males who have made a perfectly legitimate decision in full knowledge of the consequences? What makes them any more vulnerable than any other male ? I mean they had a choice not to chop off body parts and get a boob job. If they couldn't cope with the alleged increased vulnerability then dont get it done. But don't expect everyone else to bail you out if your decisions. Own it. Like an adult

Exactly. These are not mentally ill people who deserve our sympathy. These are people who have made a conscious and deliberate choice to modify their bodies.

If a anyone is going to argue that in fact these are mentally fragile people, what the hell were the surgeons thinking when they made extreme and irreversible changes to the bodies of people who were mentally unwell and who thought that these modifications would improve their mental health?

WarriorN · 03/10/2023 10:15

Second ranty text sent

JustAMinutePleass · 03/10/2023 10:14

Whatwouldscullydo · 03/10/2023 10:00

Whats a genuine transwomen? 2 woman a week are killed by their partners. How many transwomen are hurt/killed a week in the UK?

There are more transpeople in prison fir murder than have been murdered in the past 10 years

Why is male violence towards both other males and women, womens problem to solve ?

Spaces are designated male/female/men/women not men/male and anyone who might not be safe in the.mens

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There is no officially recognised statistic. Most police officers include trans women murders in the female murder statistic. Based on unofficial statistics 28 trans people have been killed in the UK from 2008-2017. According to this it makes the trans population as a whole one of the LEAST likely to be killed in the UK.

Dramatico · 03/10/2023 10:11

Excellent. Good on the Govt.

WarriorN · 03/10/2023 10:11

I texted

ResisterRex · 03/10/2023 10:07

Imnobody4 · 03/10/2023 09:51

Interesting - Keir Starmer from April. I don't remember this, it means he's in a tough place and can only support action

https://twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1648821377460232192?t=B3gbg2SC30nYR9tShTwZ_Q&s=19

“For me, patient security, safety and peace of mind comes first. That’s why we support single-sex wards,” he said, confirming that he meant single sex on the basis of biology.
“I think most hospitals want much greater clarity from the Government in terms of guidance.”

"Sir Keir, who in 2021 said it was “not right” to say that only women have a cervix, also warned against medical campaigns that caused confusion by using terms such as “people with a cervix” rather than “women”.twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1648821377460232192?t=B3gbg2SC30nYR9tShTwZ_Q&s=19

This is interesting as on this topic/story it states:

"The campaign for an outright ban has had cross-party support."

Suella Braverman to ban sex offenders from changing name and gender

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e2e437c-6159-11ee-aae8-b941e584b333?shareToken=cc407ffd3045dd612f30b7aa7f4f2666

Does that suggest that both parties know that this isn't going away? That they need to pay attention and maybe battle for our votes?

I get all the technical points about the GRA and its impact (also covered in the Times link above about how the ban there would work/not work) but not so long ago, we had near-total media silence. We had TRA sympathisers in key political appointment in government while the opposition was busy with its Facebook group, acting as Witchfinder General.

This is not the situation today.

WarriorN · 03/10/2023 10:06

WhatsApp: 037001004444

text : 84844

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/10/2023 10:05

Me too! Thank god Emma's back!

LizzieSiddal · 03/10/2023 10:05

We’re all listening 😂

LizzieSiddal · 03/10/2023 10:05

They are talking about this on Woman Hours now and want people opinions on single sex wards.

text 84844

WinterTrees · 03/10/2023 10:04

Just came to sound the Woman's Hour alert!

nauticant · 03/10/2023 10:04

This going to be discussed on Woman's Hour. And it's with Emma Barnett so the presenter should at least be engaging with the issue.

WarriorN · 03/10/2023 10:04

"How important are single sex wards for you?"

WarriorN · 03/10/2023 10:03

She wants to hear listeners views....

WarriorN · 03/10/2023 10:03

Oooh it's on woman's hour right now!

Whatwouldscullydo · 03/10/2023 10:00

Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 03/10/2023 09:53

It's good news. I really don't mind genuine trans women using women's safe spaces. I think if you've had the full sherbangle then being in a men's toilet or hospital ward is unsafe and inappropriate. Unfortunately trans rights have been hijacked by self IDing cross dressers who mean women harm, which ha marginalised genuine trans people. I don't know what the answer is, but at least they have stopped sacrificing women's rights.

Whats a genuine transwomen? 2 woman a week are killed by their partners. How many transwomen are hurt/killed a week in the UK?

There are more transpeople in prison fir murder than have been murdered in the past 10 years

Why is male violence towards both other males and women, womens problem to solve ?

Spaces are designated male/female/men/women not men/male and anyone who might not be safe in the.mens

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 09:59

genuine trans women

What distinguishes a 'genuine' transwoman from a 'non-genuine' one?

LizzieSiddal · 03/10/2023 09:56

@ResisterRex thanks for The Times link.

Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 03/10/2023 09:53

It's good news. I really don't mind genuine trans women using women's safe spaces. I think if you've had the full sherbangle then being in a men's toilet or hospital ward is unsafe and inappropriate. Unfortunately trans rights have been hijacked by self IDing cross dressers who mean women harm, which ha marginalised genuine trans people. I don't know what the answer is, but at least they have stopped sacrificing women's rights.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 09:52

Oh, fuck, it doesn't cover Scotland.

https://twitter.com/crit_gen/status/1708978418539282559

On Twitter:

'It was shocking@PoliceScotland
failed to release the hospital rape and assault data when FOId by@WomensRightsNet
The WRN report revealed 6,500 sex attacks in English hospitals in three years.'

https://twitter.com/crit_gen/status/1708978418539282559

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Imnobody4 · 03/10/2023 09:51

Interesting - Keir Starmer from April. I don't remember this, it means he's in a tough place and can only support action

https://twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1648821377460232192?t=B3gbg2SC30nYR9tShTwZ_Q&s=19

“For me, patient security, safety and peace of mind comes first. That’s why we support single-sex wards,” he said, confirming that he meant single sex on the basis of biology.
“I think most hospitals want much greater clarity from the Government in terms of guidance.”

"Sir Keir, who in 2021 said it was “not right” to say that only women have a cervix, also warned against medical campaigns that caused confusion by using terms such as “people with a cervix” rather than “women”.twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1648821377460232192?t=B3gbg2SC30nYR9tShTwZ_Q&s=19

https://twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1648821377460232192?s=19&t=B3gbg2SC30nYR9tShTwZ_Q

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Cosmosforbreakfast · 03/10/2023 09:51

It's another small step in the right direction.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 03/10/2023 09:46

We need to stop with this "feeling sorry for..." malarkey.

Yes. We need to stop thinking that the people who are hurt most by all of this are the men who want to be in womens spaces.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/10/2023 09:45

Well said, Zutt. The deliberate confusion is deeply embedded in so many policies and guidance documents that digging it out is a hell of a job.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 03/10/2023 09:38

The GRA 2004 compelled all government bodies to record gender for those who have them, alongside sex. Trusts basically made an arse of it and confused the two. In 2008 a DoH document 'Trans: a practical guide for the NHS' was heavily biased towards accommodating men with gender identity in womens wards, and gaslighting women who complained.

In 2010 the policy "eliminating mixed sex accommodation" the governing knew they were talking about gender, not sex, but used the word sex anyway.

The situation has been years in the making and has always relied on the confusion between the words gender and sex. And more importantly, the privacy of those men who are given female id by the state.

Where we are now - women being sexually assaulted and are told that the man in the ward with them is a woman, is the result of politician of all parties - conservative, labour and liberal demonstrate either being incompetent or willfully working to get males into womens wards.

Edit to add: unless politicians understand how we got here, and the policies that add to the confusion, any new announcements is likely to be a sticking plaster and wont solve anything long term.