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Trans women to be banned from female hospital wards

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Imnobody4 · 02/10/2023 22:41

Yes¡ Just done a little victory dance. I hope it really is as good as it sounds.

https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1708956051683295391?t=daMUSC8mbF_9sSi9ynIsIg&s=19

On Tuesday, Steve Barclay will announce proposals to push back against “wokery” in the health service that has led to women’s rights being increasingly sidelined.The changes would give men and women the right to be cared for on wards only shared by people of their own biological sex, and to have intimate care provided by those of the same sex.Mr Barclay said the plan would mean the return of “a common-sense approach to sex and equality”, ensuring that women’s dignity was protected and their voices heard.The proposals follow concerns from patients and staff about biological men being allowed on to women’s hospital wards. In 2021, NHS guidance said trans patients could be placed on single-sex wards on the basis of the gender with which they identified.

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catlovingdoctor · 03/10/2023 10:57

Excellent!

Signalbox · 03/10/2023 10:57

fantom · 03/10/2023 10:54

So trans people can stay in individual rooms?
Because I would hate to see the two trans men I know forced to stay on women's ward

Why? What do you think is going to happen to them?

fantom · 03/10/2023 10:54

So trans people can stay in individual rooms?
Because I would hate to see the two trans men I know forced to stay on women's ward

WarriorN · 03/10/2023 10:53

Many callers saying it's a "distraction" - that's gaslighting anyone who's been in a vulnerable position in hospital on a mixed sex ward.

The tories can be both tackling this and also being very rubbish at dealing with other things.

viques · 03/10/2023 10:47

EasternStandard · 03/10/2023 10:41

We haven’t got much without it.

The opposition would much prefer women didn’t talk about it at all.

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I agree, which is why it is so important that people outside the party political system ( step forward TERF islanders!) carry on chipping away at the nonsense, exposing it for what it is and reminding people that feelings don’t trump science and evolutionary biology.

IncomingTraffic · 03/10/2023 10:44

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/10/2023 10:29

Where do you get 28 from?

According to the transrights organisation Transrespect, the number for that period is 9 (nine).

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

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28 appears to be the figure for the USA given in that link.

Nearly half of those (167) took place in Brazil, and a further 28 were recorded in the United States.

HairyKitty · 03/10/2023 10:42

Worryingly this is just a small start, most likely to all be undone at the general election…

Highandlows · 03/10/2023 10:41

Great! Pretty sure the party of the everything goes would not have done this.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2023 10:41

viques · 03/10/2023 10:38

I think they already know what goes down well with their voters. And what doesn’t. This is offering “proof” that would be popular ideas are being considered which candidates can then pull out of their pockets on the campaign trail, it isn’t “proof” that anything will be done, or that ideas will even be written into their election manifesto.

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We haven’t got much without it.

The opposition would much prefer women didn’t talk about it at all.

viques · 03/10/2023 10:38

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 10:31

A testing ground, to see how policies might land?

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I think they already know what goes down well with their voters. And what doesn’t. This is offering “proof” that would be popular ideas are being considered which candidates can then pull out of their pockets on the campaign trail, it isn’t “proof” that anything will be done, or that ideas will even be written into their election manifesto.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 10:31

viques · 03/10/2023 10:29

I hope this happens. But this is Tory conference week, when they are trying to win over the hearts and minds of the Tory electorate (Nigel Farage is there ffs).

I wouldn’t put money on many of the headline grabbing statements, commitments, promises (call them what you will) coming to fruition before a general election. There will be lots of “ as we declared at the Conference” and “conference overwhelmingly endorsed our plans” chat on the doorstep and on discussion platforms, but until it is written into law it means nothing.

A testing ground, to see how policies might land?

BloodyHellKen · 03/10/2023 10:30

OldCrone · 03/10/2023 10:16

Exactly. These are not mentally ill people who deserve our sympathy. These are people who have made a conscious and deliberate choice to modify their bodies.

If a anyone is going to argue that in fact these are mentally fragile people, what the hell were the surgeons thinking when they made extreme and irreversible changes to the bodies of people who were mentally unwell and who thought that these modifications would improve their mental health?

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I can see where you are coming from and I agree with what you say but I must admit that I do view someone who has their physically healthy genitals/body parts removed mentally ill.

I can't imagine anyone who wasn't mentally ill would have their genitals removed because the whole concept is totally insane. I think that's why body dysmorphia was such a useful term. It recognised that the person with the diagnosis had a mental illness and as such could/should receive relevant mental health care and not irreversible surgery.

That doesn't mean to say I want post surgery trans women in a female hospital ward/loos/sport etc because I definitely don't.

I think the doctors and others facilitating the whole trans surgery set up have a lot to answer for and I hope one day they will be brought to account - ditto the whole cosmetic surgery set up which sickens me.

nauticant · 03/10/2023 10:30

Based on unofficial statistics 28 trans people have been killed in the UK from 2008-2017.

Could you provide a source for this JustAMinutePleass?

WinterTrees · 03/10/2023 10:30

I had to go and talk to the plumber while it was on 😡 Are they going back to it?

viques · 03/10/2023 10:29

I hope this happens. But this is Tory conference week, when they are trying to win over the hearts and minds of the Tory electorate (Nigel Farage is there ffs).

I wouldn’t put money on many of the headline grabbing statements, commitments, promises (call them what you will) coming to fruition before a general election. There will be lots of “ as we declared at the Conference” and “conference overwhelmingly endorsed our plans” chat on the doorstep and on discussion platforms, but until it is written into law it means nothing.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/10/2023 10:29

JustAMinutePleass · 03/10/2023 10:14

There is no officially recognised statistic. Most police officers include trans women murders in the female murder statistic. Based on unofficial statistics 28 trans people have been killed in the UK from 2008-2017. According to this it makes the trans population as a whole one of the LEAST likely to be killed in the UK.

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Where do you get 28 from?

According to the transrights organisation Transrespect, the number for that period is 9 (nine).

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

FactCheck: how many trans people are murdered in the UK?

Let’s take a look at the statistics.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-many-trans-people-murdered-uk

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/10/2023 10:25

The WRN report revealed 6,500 sex attacks in English hospitals in three years.

To save everyone else also diving for a calculator, that's 6 a day.

GoodOldEmmaNess · 03/10/2023 10:24

Thanks, BoreOfSmile

TakeMe2Insanity · 03/10/2023 10:24

Yay!

BoreOfWhabylon · 03/10/2023 10:23

GoodOldEmmaNess · 03/10/2023 10:17

Could someone explain a little bit more about the option to text an opinion to WH. If you text that number, does it register a specific opinion? If so, what is that opinion?

I want to register an opinion in favour of single-SEX (ie bio sex) wards

You text an actual message, it's not a poll.

nauticant · 03/10/2023 10:23

According to those writing in, there has never been a single problem over a transwoman in a women's ward.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2023 10:20

Quotes coming in are annoying

God the TRAs are going for it

nauticant · 03/10/2023 10:19

Emma Barnett asked the current, Dr Helen Neary, about the proposal. Dr Neary was very swervy over the isssue.

Whatwouldscullydo · 03/10/2023 10:19

OldCrone · 03/10/2023 10:16

Exactly. These are not mentally ill people who deserve our sympathy. These are people who have made a conscious and deliberate choice to modify their bodies.

If a anyone is going to argue that in fact these are mentally fragile people, what the hell were the surgeons thinking when they made extreme and irreversible changes to the bodies of people who were mentally unwell and who thought that these modifications would improve their mental health?

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Well quite you cabt have it both ways ?

Either people know aged two, can consent to all sorts of interventions at a young age and if they have surgery as an adult they are fully informed and in a place to do so.

Or they are so weak and fragile amd mentally unstable that reality makes them suicidal in which case as u say, why is anyone doing surgeries on these people ?

Which is it. And why is it womens problem ?

GoodOldEmmaNess · 03/10/2023 10:17

Could someone explain a little bit more about the option to text an opinion to WH. If you text that number, does it register a specific opinion? If so, what is that opinion?

I want to register an opinion in favour of single-SEX (ie bio sex) wards