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Glamourreader · 03/10/2023 21:11

The government has to make sure that the CQC who carry out NHS inspections enforce single sex spaces etc. NHS organisations fear getting a bad report from the CQC.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 20:17

'No issues' - who did they ask?

Reminds me of Scotgov woman repeating ' there is no evidence' in the face of all the front pages running Isla Bryson in his pink leggings.

HagoftheNorth · 03/10/2023 20:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66994133

The BBC’s take includes a quote from Cleo Madeleine of Gendered Intelligence that:

“there have been no issues with this system. It is not something that has led to widespread complaints.”

Not sure that’s quite true Cleo!

Three nurses walk along a ward

Trans women may be banned from women's NHS wards

Health Secretary promises consultation on NHS constitution, calling for a "common-sense" approach.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66994133

EwwSprouts · 03/10/2023 16:40

RainWithSunnySpells · 03/10/2023 12:57

A few strategic redundancies and accountability for bad managers would probably make a world of difference (and a big improvement) to the culture at the NHS.

100% agree. Far too many promoted above their ability. There also needs to be more movement between NHS and other sectors/industry. (Not talking privatisation.) I went to a meeting with NHS/council/charities etc last week and the NHS lead on the project thought the timetable year 1 should be form, storm, norm. That was it, no perform, for a collaboration of well established organisations many of whom already work together. No tangible benefits for the local population. Maybe we could look at data sharing agreements..... The project is only funded for 2 years!

UtopiaPlanitia · 03/10/2023 13:34

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 09:28

Is this actually going to happen though? Last time I looked the government seemed to have lost control of the NHS.

They told them to get rid of the waste of money that is EDI and they haven't done it, despite a massive shortfall in nurses which the millions that goes to EDI staff could be used for (i.e. pay nurses a bit more).

The NHS seems to ignore Govt directions on these issues. I wonder if this has something to do with Andrew Lansley and his NHS reforms? In effect, he removed accountability for the NHS from the relevant Govt departments in order to make it easier for private providers to become involved in NHS services.

This decentralisation and marketisation of the NHS and the reduction of Whitehall accountability might be making it easier for NHS services to ignore Ministers 🤔

RainWithSunnySpells · 03/10/2023 12:57

A few strategic redundancies and accountability for bad managers would probably make a world of difference (and a big improvement) to the culture at the NHS.

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 12:34

So the next thing should be an announcement of sanctions if it's not carried out

There desperately needs to be some mechanism for this. At the moment it seems NHS management / EDI types are free to piss about with millions of public money whilst totally failing to do what they're employed to do and there is absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

It's not just in this area, in the Letby case several senior paediatricians were sanctioned, forced to apologise to Letby and threatened with their medical licenses being reviewed for raising entirely reasonable concerns. One of the paediatricians has given several media interviews questioning why there is no accountability for NHS management (unlike for doctors who can have their license removed). And he's right. He pointed out that often when there is a scandal (Letby, Maternity wards) the management waltz into other high paying NHS jobs. In an article I saw he said something like 'they move to another hospital and you worry about what will happen there'.

All the while, people (including transpeople) cannot get the care they need. It's all driven by a bunch of self-serving ideologues who use things like EDI as a smokescreen to do what they want and avoid having to demonstrate any level of success in their job at all, seemingly.

Datun · 03/10/2023 12:12

Plus and end to the training of medical staff in transgender ideology.

Christ, I can't help but feel sorry for HCPs. Forced to watch stupid films about men being allowed to access women's toilets, then being told to say chest feeding, then being told no, forget all that.

Datun · 03/10/2023 12:09

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 09:28

Is this actually going to happen though? Last time I looked the government seemed to have lost control of the NHS.

They told them to get rid of the waste of money that is EDI and they haven't done it, despite a massive shortfall in nurses which the millions that goes to EDI staff could be used for (i.e. pay nurses a bit more).

Yes, it's one thing to see all this coming out at once, there appears to be some consensus to announce these changes simultaneously.

It's quite another for the NHS to do anything about it. They have been told to do all sorts of things, that they haven't done, in fact, quite the reverse.

So the next thing should be an announcement of sanctions if it's not carried out.

Meceme · 03/10/2023 11:33

Michelle Donlan Technology Minister just clearly said sex and gender are different and announced a review into the use of sex and gender terminology in scientific research.
She stated the belief that you can change sex is scientifically illiterate.
The tide is changing.

Meceme · 03/10/2023 11:28

He said they intend to 'change the NHS Constitution' to reflect this.
The BBC response - is this possible in practice?

Meceme · 03/10/2023 11:24

This has just been confirmed in Steve Barclays speech. He has also said that NHS has been told to replace the word woman in all information, marketing, health screening etc that is aimed at women e.g cervical screening. He also stated that care should be based on biological differences and the NHS should support the privacy, dignity and safety of all patients especially referencing women.

dimorphism · 03/10/2023 09:28

Is this actually going to happen though? Last time I looked the government seemed to have lost control of the NHS.

They told them to get rid of the waste of money that is EDI and they haven't done it, despite a massive shortfall in nurses which the millions that goes to EDI staff could be used for (i.e. pay nurses a bit more).

FrancescaContini · 03/10/2023 08:43

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 08:24

Is care covered too?

The article says “..intimate care covered by those of the same sex too” - so it seems so?

But of course it needs to be any setting where people might need intimate care: home, GP surgery, hospices, care homes…

RainWithSunnySpells · 03/10/2023 08:39

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 08:24

Is care covered too?

I only read about hospitals and wards, but you are correct Arabella intimate care at home should also have a true single sex option for anyone who wants it.

ETA. Plus nursing homes, hospices etc.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2023 08:24

FrancescaContini · 03/10/2023 08:13

I’m really happy to know that should I ever become incapacitated and unable to advocate for myself, NO MAN will be carrying out any care including INTIMATE care on me. Or my female relatives or friends or DDs.

It should never have been allowed to be the case.

Is care covered too?

RainWithSunnySpells · 03/10/2023 08:22

They need to get this done before the General Election. It's so important to so many vulnerable hospital patients.

Plankingplanks · 03/10/2023 08:16

Great news. I just looked on the NHS ovarian and cervical cancer pages and they haven't been recently changed according to the update bit at the bottom, so when have they changed to ensure they are woman focused?

FrancescaContini · 03/10/2023 08:13

I’m really happy to know that should I ever become incapacitated and unable to advocate for myself, NO MAN will be carrying out any care including INTIMATE care on me. Or my female relatives or friends or DDs.

It should never have been allowed to be the case.

Glamourreader · 03/10/2023 08:10

I'm so happy about this 😃like a burden has been lifted

FrancescaContini · 03/10/2023 08:10

Thank you, Emma 🤩

highame · 03/10/2023 08:08

It looks as though there is a definite move to take on the whole mess.

DiabolicalFinial · 03/10/2023 07:56

Have any of the usual TRAs unloaded about this on X/Twitter at all? Not on, so can’t see what the reaction has been…

Appalonia · 02/10/2023 23:09

IcakethereforeIam · 02/10/2023 22:55

I thought I'd felt a tremendous disturbance in the woke. As though a million toys were thrown out of prams. It almost makes me want to be on twitterX 😊

Ha, beautifully written, thanks for that!😂

Datun · 02/10/2023 23:05

AutumnCrow · 02/10/2023 22:48

And this link should also work: https://archive.ph/WcyRw

Third spaces, here we come ...

Meanwhile, if you want a private room, you know the magic mantra.

I know. The idea of giving a certain subset of men their own room for no reason is ridiculous.

Still, I bet as soon as it starts to inconvenience people other than women, ie real people, it'll get short shrift.

in the meantime, as far as NHS is concerned, transwomen are very definitely not women.

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