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Lib-Dem Voice - 'debunking the gender critical myth'

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ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:11

https://www.libdemvoice.org/debunking-the-gender-critical-myth-74015.html

'Medical science is wonderful and has helped us overcome constraints of biology.'
...

'Every morning I wake up and take 5mg of estradiol valerate, and every night before I go to bed, I take 200mg of progesterone. As a result, more of my body is female than male,'

Chris Northwood (she/her) is a councillor in Manchester, deputy group leader of the Manchester Liberal Democrats and member of Federal Council.

Debunking the “gender critical” myth

“Sex is binary and immutable” is the great myth that underpins “gender critical” ideology. At first glance, it might appear to be plausible, but anything beyond a cursory inspection shows it to be shallow and incorrect. Biology is a complex system, and...

https://www.libdemvoice.org/debunking-the-gender-critical-myth-74015.html

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WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 02/10/2023 08:22

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2023 08:02

I want to vote for them! It's horrible watching this party become moribund. I previously rated the Libdems' centrist politics.

Yes me too! In my area, it's a two-horse race between Conservatives and Lib Dems. I can't vote Labour anyway even if we had a viable candidate, because I'd be a turkey voting for Christmas with DH's job as a private school teacher. I was rather hoping the Lib Dems had become less batshit in the last 20 years since we were in an area with any (in Luton they used to push racist anti-Traveller rhetoric as did the Labour party before the MP got wrecked by the expenses scandal, and I've never quite got over that given that we had close links with Travellers at the time).

There are two single issues I can't vote for a party because of: Not knowing what a woman is and putting private schools out of business.

I really don't like the Conservatives and want them out but I can't support someone running the country (or dear god a Labour-Lib Dem coalition) who will enact those terrible stances. I don't know what to vote anymore.

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2023 08:10

Cancelledcurio · 02/10/2023 07:03

@RedToothBrush do you mind? why is them spouting utter garbage evidence of them being autistic?
Less of the ableist shite please. I am gender critical. I am ASD. I am shite with computers.

Read Chris's twitter profile. It says autistic.

Plus we know that there is a massive overlap between trans and being autistic. Which really needs explanation / addressing.

Especially given all the autistic charities are full on cheerleaders for genderism and I actually see this as a problem because of the vulnerability it creates.

I fail to see how this is ablest.

An inability to put yourself in the shoes of women and be empathetic to the impact of gender identity on women really is an issue if you are an activist first and gain elected status as a councillor second. It's relevant to how this is contributing to the representation within the LDs.

The LDs are incredibly clichy because of the nature of their structure. Natalie Bird was heavily involved with what was happening in Manchester and was pushed out by one. I know of a number of the individuals in that were heavily involved with autism charities or identified as autistic.

Why is there such an over representation going on within the party? Is it problematic? Does this mean there is a lack of breadth within the party on thinking? Is rigid thinking without challenge damaging?

I mentioned it, because it's relevant. And we should be noticing it. Especially given the implications to young people.

DeanElderberry · 02/10/2023 08:09

The Liberals have always been the most consistently intolerant UK political party, and not good for women and children. Cyril Smith and Clement Freud were acceptable to them.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2023 08:02

TodayInahurry · 02/10/2023 06:41

And they want us to vote for them?! I had a man come canvassing for the local council, I asked him the woman question, he did not like that and walked off. He did not get elected

I want to vote for them! It's horrible watching this party become moribund. I previously rated the Libdems' centrist politics.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 02/10/2023 07:57

I'm feeling grape this morning.

DeanElderberry · 02/10/2023 07:56

o ffs one of the comments claims that Gender critical people argue “you can’t change biological gender”

No. We say there is no such thing as 'biological gender', because gender is an imaginary construct, not biological but mental. The biological thing is sex, which is entirely different and real and tactile. And not changed by surgery or hormone-altering drugs or both.

It's like someone who has taken LSD insisting they can fly.

Brains are weird, sometimes they go wrong, and maiming and poisoning the bodies they live in isn't a good fix.

TiredOfCleaning · 02/10/2023 07:53

I identify as tired of cleaning. My pronouns are tired / shit tired.

Myrkwood · 02/10/2023 07:47

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I’m autistic, the actually diagnosed by the NHS kind.

I believe that a lot of these completely illogical middle-aged wankers just ‘identify’ as autistic.

It’s just another identity cloak/shield for them to put on in the morning.

(I’m not saying no one with autism has fallen for this bollocks, the young are especially vulnerable to wanting to fit into a group with strict rules)

nzborn · 02/10/2023 07:36

I drink coffee, lots of it so I identify as a latte in in a bowl, sorry that's I am a latte in a bowl

Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/10/2023 07:07

As always a picture speaks a thousand words

buuutt hoooow can you teeeelll??

Lib-Dem Voice - 'debunking the gender critical myth'
Cancelledcurio · 02/10/2023 07:03

@RedToothBrush do you mind? why is them spouting utter garbage evidence of them being autistic?
Less of the ableist shite please. I am gender critical. I am ASD. I am shite with computers.

TodayInahurry · 02/10/2023 06:41

And they want us to vote for them?! I had a man come canvassing for the local council, I asked him the woman question, he did not like that and walked off. He did not get elected

PriOn1 · 02/10/2023 04:34

From the comments, this is hilarious:

”Without fail, I always think what nonsense the sex indication on my daughter’s birth certificate is: I have no idea what her chromosomes or hormones are, and neither do the doctors who wrote that in”

Oh those silly doctors (probably was the midwife actually, but who’s counting?). Imagine thinking that there was some kind of connection between the child’s observed phenotype and her chromosomes and hormones!

Horrors!

What profound ignorance those foolish doctors have, despite all their time spent studying and their years of experience.

drspouse · 02/10/2023 04:12

Hang on, does Sam's daughter not know her chromosomes or does Sam not know them?
If the former, she's 4.
If the latter, bollocks. Sam knows they are either XX or possibly XXX which is v rare but not always diagnosed at birth.
All other DSDs including XO and XY female (CAIS) are now usually diagnosed soon after birth.

popebishop · 02/10/2023 03:57

Just because someone is female (not that they are) that doesn't make them a woman, does it? Are they claiming there is something female about a woman? Because.... that's not debunking gender-criticism....

TheDogthatDug · 02/10/2023 01:08

The comments are hilarious especially Sam's daughter.

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 23:16

This is what you get when you cross Superted with politics

This is a story about an ordinary teddy bear...
When he was made, they found something wrong with him...
And threw him away like a piece of rubbish into an old dark storeroom...
Then, from outer space, a spotty man, brought him to life with his cosmic dust!
He took him to a magic cloud where Mother Nature gave him special powers...
That bear became SUPERTED!

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 23:08

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 22:54

Cos they are ALL this batshit in the LDs.

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nauticant · 01/10/2023 22:58

Check out the replies to Northwood's tweet:

https://twitter.com/cnorthwood/status/1708446730616738270

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 22:54

Piccalillipromises · 01/10/2023 22:52

Well... you are what you eat, after all...
Seriously, how have things become this insane, how is this person not being laughed out of the room??!

Cos they are ALL this batshit in the LDs.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/10/2023 22:54

what a loon

Piccalillipromises · 01/10/2023 22:52

Well... you are what you eat, after all...
Seriously, how have things become this insane, how is this person not being laughed out of the room??!

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:45

LizzieSiddal · 01/10/2023 22:39

So if I take fish oils everyday will that make me more fish?

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Justme56 · 01/10/2023 22:43

The comments. Sam’s 4 year old daughter (doesn’t know her chromosomes) told him off for not mentioning NB’s when talking about a unisex toilet and a cis man is often mistaken for a woman because of his long hair - especially when he’s abroad!

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