Karen White says Karen should never have been put in a woman's jail

White is manipulative. This is common amongst sex offenders.

White is playing to the gallery here. They are not wrong. But that does not mean they should gain advantage from it. Acknowledgement that they should not have been in a women's prison is very different from acknowledging that they should not have assaulted women. This may well be a person who should be in prison, not just as a punishment, but to protect society.

I'm not sure he's going to find 'well it was their fault for putting me with women' (subtext how am I supposed to just not grab one and start offending) as opposed to 'I've learned not to rape and terribly injure women for funsies' much of persuasive argument really.

Based on what he says here, he should never be released. Women are in the world, if he can't stop himself destroying them he can't have freedom. That simple.

I am so sick of this political movement essentially being rooted in male depravity and a wish to never have to say no to themselves or take any kind of responsibility for themselves regardless of how much it harms others. And the never ending Officer Krupke-ing trying to make it be someone else's fault.

Oh, look.

'Sentencing White to a minimum of eight years-and-a-half years in prison,' (Source: The Guardian in 2018).

About a year on remand.

Karen's therefore done around 6 years. Guess what's coming up on the horizon?

Great post

Karen is clearly writing with an eye upon Karen's future Parole Board hearings, because Karen requires the Panel to decide Karen is a low risk when looking for evidence of change in behaviour and attitude since Karen's offences were committed, what it was about Karen's situation that led to Karen's offending behaviour and whether Karen has addressed those issues.

Karen is not an idiot. Karen knows exactly what needs to be said for Karen to get what Karen wants.

What newspapers do you suggest we read and which news articles qualify as clickbait? Perhaps you could provide a useful list of the news sites you personally approve of and which ones you don't want other people to read? TIA

Me, too. If you're relying on the Guardian you are on to a loser.

I can't wait for the media tp challenge the toxic IPSO / media guidelines and start accurately sexing these people. All the "she this", "she that" is so offensive.
Maybe that "middle ground" as has been discussed elsewhere this weekend should be that all the numerous sex offenders / paedophiles should be accurately sexed?

Manipulative predator says he has no self control, and that any male predator put in the women's estate will have neither conscience nor self control and will take no responsibility at any time for their actions. Provide them with access to new victims to destroy and they will.

Well that should be interesting come his parole hearing; that if you give him access to women it's your fault that he injures them or worse. But a useful reminder that a bastard who loves to destroy women's boundaries isn't going to follow the jolly good chap principle when given half a chance, regardless of what the likes of Stephen Whittle like to claim.

Just to note: it is nearly impossible to get a rape prosecuted and convicted in the UK and this individual is serving a life sentence. We know of course about the woman multiply raped through the night on a women's mental health ward that some absolute muppet let him identify onto, who was left terribly injured and unlikely to be able to ever have a pregnancy due to those injuries. But just reflect on how serious and repeated and extreme such 'sexual assaults' have to be to end in a life sentence, and therefore what his entire rap sheet must look like? And this criminal with this known history, was provided with access to female victims by well meaning idiots who prioritised their own need to pander to gender identity righteousness over women's bodies, and ended up with blood on their hands. How many heads have rolled over this? None. None at all.

And then reflect on whether this person, who has dedicated his life to enjoying causing the fear and injury of women for his sexual jollies, would really be any safer to said women with his tackle removed?

Thankfully the MoJ's current stance is not what the DM says: it is any male with full tackle AND/OR any history of violent sexual offenses.

The only bloke getting into a women's prison at this point is that mythical gentle fully transitioned and slightly fraudulent accountant sometimes glimpsed gambolling in a lot of scotch mist near Aberdeen.

Although I'm sure Labour will be dashing to indulge White and others like him with sacrificial women in the name of their insane religion should they get anywhere near power.

And he obviously enjoyed their fear as he went on to sexually assault the women in there, now he wants some degree of sympathy? lauding for his views that he shouldn't have been put in there in the first place and it was not his choice?

He chose to assault and intimidate the women in there.

How is it clickbait?

Or is that another word that has had its meaning changed?

What an odd development. Anyway, it all helps in highlighting that transwomen aren't women. But yes, type of genital ownership shouldn't be a qualifier.

Another vote for clicking on Daily Mail links from me (another disappointed long time Guardian reader) who really have been excellent on the issues that arise from gender identity belief.

I do wonder who took the letter to the DM. I certainly wouldn't give him the satisfaction of thinking anyone cared what he thought about women's safety.

I wondered at that to rightsraptor. I wonder who White sent the letter to. Because it doesn’t matter if that male has or hasn’t had their cock chopped off. I don’t know many prominent feminists who would make that distinction.

I also felt the wording around Liz Hogarths quote was confusing. While I am sure she certainly doesn’t want the current guidance reversed, surely her quoted statement seems more in line with keeping all male prisoners out. I have looked to see what the boundaries are that she campaigns for but cannot find anything quickly.

Does anyone else remember whether she is campaigning for full male exclusion? Or is she supportive of the level of exclusion in the current guidance?

Yet all I can think is what's the angle, what does Karen get out of this

Exactly. Attention for being sympathetic to women?

White's 57, according to the article, so much have been born in 1965 or 1966. Karen was one of the top UK girls' names all through the 1960s - number 3 in 1965. It's pretty common for trans people to choose a name they might have been given had they been born the opposite sex (which if you think about it makes much more sense than choosing a name that's popular at the time of transition but would have been unlikely to have been the person's birth name).

In the US, "Karen" as a misogynistic/rape apologist insult had its origins on Reddit, where the first known usage dates to December 2017. White appears to have changed names before that time, as the switch to a women's prison happened in September 2017 which must have been post-"transition".

Particularly as the newspaper I would have assumed (many years ago, before I became aware of all this) would have covered this kind of thing - The Guardian - can't be trusted. Their last offering regarding Karen White was an eye rollingly awful piece by Zoe Williams. Their coverage of the Wi Spa incident was appalling.

And that's the paper which many of the posters on here (including myself) used to read avidly. However, I'm more likely to put a 'it's a Guardian link...' warning on a post nowadays.

He is 6 foot tall, a serial sex attacker and rapist, and says he asked not to be put in the women's estate but was put there against his will.

'White says 'all I could see was fear in the faces' of female inmates when they arrived at New Hall jail five years ago. 'They would have seen me as a man in woman's clothing and a threat to them,' writes White, who has been described as a 'towering figure in a blonde wig'.'

This!

The article is misleading.

I his 4 page letter to an unnamed women's rights activist, White says tw shouldn't be allowed in women's prisons if they have male genitals. The unnamed activist is quoted seemingly agreeing with this, whereas the stance of KPSS is in no male prisoners whatever the genitals. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking the woman is from KPSS but they'd be the logical group to send it to.

What David Thompson/Stephen Wood gets out of this is MORE ATTENTION ON DAVID THOMPSON/STEPHEN WOOD. Can't be bothered to call him Karen White even ironically. He's an insane egomaniac.

He doesn’t have a mental health disorder. He is a predatory male who chanced his arm and couldn’t believe his luck when idiotic officials went along with it. And women were harmed as a result of both his actions and those in the system. I don’t expect him to be ashamed but I hope those who enabled him are.

OK, as you were - I clicked and the other pic is there. Good.

The views of the violent male criminal "Karen" are likely to be taken more seriously by the establishment than the views of millions of women.