Karen White says Karen should never have been put in a woman's jail

Indeed! Both dead naming AND misgendering. Tut tut Willoughby.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keep-trans-offenders-like-me-out-of-womens-prisons-says-karen-white-0qqdg5tsm

Times article.

Of course he's blooming 'trans'. Just as much as any other trans person.

In England.

Intact trans women are not permitted to be held in a female prison any more. This changed earlier this year. Those who are currently in female prisons can stay there until their release, but if they are convicted again, they will go to a male prison. Even those with a gender recognition certificate will go to a male prison if they retain their male genitalia.

And what will IW say when KW has the surgery (which I believe they are pushing for whilst incarcerated)?

Funny how TW who offend are suddenly not TW, it kinda blows all the TW are just so oppressed, super quiet, harmless people doesn't it.

Crikey! Willoughby is transphobic!

Willoughby staying very much on brand there, @Maaate

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Karen thinks that TW who have had surgery should be in a women's prison though, maybe Karen is saying this as they are about to have surgery and will be moving into the "I'm a true TW, more special than the others" territory.

Karen will no doubt be keeping Karen's head down now Karen is where Karen should be, in a male prison. Karen is a convicted paedophile so Karen needs to be careful who Karen associates with

Please correct me if wrong, but White was identifying as a TW before he went to prison. He used his ability to identify into a women's mental health hospital ward one night to commit repeated rapes on a woman there.

It's very inconvenient to those who worked so hard to get these men into women's prisons and spaces, but White IS trans. As trans as anyone else is. He's not 'rapist gender' as Sturgeon frantically tried to spin Bryson as being.

You're left with what the political agenda has always intended:

Men who identify as women are going to include rapists and killers of women in their numbers.

If you believe they are women and belong in women's prisons then you see the women left destroyed in the wake of these men are just oh well never mind issues. And somehow manage the cognitive dissonance of believing they're all women, but separated neatly into two groups of the ones that matter to you that are never distressed or harmed, and the ones you see as cannon fodder, based on 'which group has at any time possessed a penis'.

Now the general public are outraged enough, we have politicians trying to play with 'well sometimes they're legally women, but not in all situations all the time'.

Which means that the legal status and self ID does not turn men into women and in reality, the reality of sex cannot be erased without serious harm to others. If they can't be women at all times, they are not women at all. They are TW, a subset of men. And that's fine, they should have the facilities they need, but what they do not need is a sacrifice to them of women's privacy, dignity, autonomy, freedom of belief, homosexuality, or availability to be raped.

We cannot, as pp said above, stroke the fevered brows of men's wishes and desires (which you'd have to be very naive and blind at this point to not know include some appalling sexual offending ones, you only have to look at the sexually violent messaging everywhere by activists) while trampling over women's human rights and equality. Because no one apparently gives a toss what those women suffer, never mind what they wish. Except a bunch of 'dinosaurs'.

Transitions from male to female, commits grotesque crimes then moans about being in a women's prison? Weirdo!

I'd click on a DM link before I'd click on a Guardian one. At least they are trying to expose all this bollocks rather than jumping on the woke bandwagon.

Wait a moment. He said the judge said he would be going to a female prison. He didn't request/demand it?

That gives KPSS etc some more grist for the mill

But, but, but ...

I thought Karen had asked to be moved to the female estate?

It's the syndrome known as ROPD, and results in more privileges, an easier less violent culture, and of course a lot of sex!

'Yep poor Karen just couldn't help karenself'

@Hoardasurass

Happy to have a Guardian link if you can post it.

Given the political ramifications over the Isla Bryson case in Scotland the topic of men in women's prisons is an important one, so I assume that the Guardian will have covered it.

If not, we will have to make do with the Mail. Since the story comes from a reputable women's group there is no reason to think it is not genuine.

It is interesting and relevent click bait, though. This sort of information is important to know of because it helps shore up the case for the protection of women's spaces and integrity as human females.

The Daily Mail is just a media publication it is not the devil.

It's quite an impressive tactic to be fair. Here's the playbook in summary:

1. Commit rape - everyone thinks you're evil
2. Go to prison with women and have access to more rape victims - anyone who notices the risk is drowned out by all the Be Kind people who still haven't actually changed their minds on the fact that you're evil
3. Act out on the urges and commit more rape in the women's prison - the Be Kind mob are shouting so loudly at the moment about inclusion in general that there is no chance for this news to get out in the public discourse at scale. After all, this is just a bunch of people in prison. Who cares? (Devil's advocate, not my opinion on women in prison)
4. Come out bravely saying how you should never have been put there in the first place - the Be Kind gang are thankful that there is something of substance to cling on to (as many will have been secretly starting to doubt their original conviction on all of this). Everyone is so happy with this situation that you've now transcended from being evil to being a hero.... just in time for the parole decision.

Ah, thank you. I was looking at all this and wondering what on earth White was getting out of all this, but thus makes perfect sense.
He's clearly a dangerous predator and no supporter of women's rights. I'm guessing he can see the tide is turning and is changing his story so that he's in the role of poor vulnerable victim again.

Let's be clear: there will always be predatory, violent and dangerous men who will lie about all sorts of stuff for all sorts of reasons. Maybe because they have ulterior motives or maybe because of mental health issues or delusions. It doesn't really matter.

Society cannot be organised around the professed wants and desires of men, while casting aside safeguarding, and ignoring, deriding, and suppressing the wants and desires of women.

Edited for commas.

But the parole board were the ones that put Karen in womens prison. It sounds to me like Karen is criticising the authorities, which presumably would not be the best strategy for buttering them up?