Let Women Speak Liverpool - Sunday 8th October, 1-3pm

I hear you. I wasn't great today either tbh.

To reply to a remark about the Letts article. There's nothing in it which is untrue about what we women had to put up with yesterday. Including the screaming person with the back to front pizza box, and the big shouty beardy men, and "Robbie", and the ululating and the pure vindictive hate.

I toughed it out aIso. I didn't know anyone else there. I have neurological health issues, and thought: if I go down here with a seizure, away from the main group of women, I might get a kicking from some of these feckers. I can't even go to the Liverpool Brain Charity events because of the ageist anti terf crap coming out the LGBTQI++ handful who have captured it.

And the article "sniggering" about the situation was directed towards the arsewipes screaming at us, and not at the women trying to speak. So no apologies from me for saying that it made me smile, albeit temporarily. I'm fully aware of who QL is and why it was written. i hope people read it and think WTF?

That's how it was on Sunday. I'm all out of hopefully looking for responsible reporting, it's thin on the ground. For yesterday, I'll take a widely read piss take as vindication of what I saw and experienced.

As for the Fire Brigades Union, I'll save chapter and verse on them for another day.

youi'd not be concerened with what people in the Labour party think. We know what they think. They've told us. Believe it.

So who the fuck do we vote for next year?

I cannot vote Tory. I just cannot.

Honestly I'm at the point where any time I see an organisation talking about diversity but only flying this flag, I'm.going to assume that they actively discriminate against the other protected characteristics until it's fully proven otherwise.

Indeed. Where I work, rainbow lanyards & "progress" pride flags galore, but my colleague with quite limited mobility regularly finds that the disabled parking spot nearest a lecture hall (which is up a steep hill) is commandeered by builders' vans or otherwise unavailable - and not by another person with a blue badge. It's careless & thoughtless.

So the ACTUAL simple everyday things which allow employees with mobility impediments are overlooked, while interviewees for jobs are asked about "how they have implemented EDI policies."

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4894480-female-surgeons-sexually-assaulted-by-colleagues-while-operating

1 in 3 women surgeous sexually assaulted by colleagues in the past 5 years (not all while actually operating).

And a recent WRN report revealed 6,500 sex attacks over 3 years (not sure if that was on patients and staff, or patients only) in English hospitals. That's 6 a day.

What a great few lines

Sums it up

Sounds really bad @RebelliousCow

I believe you

Yes, i get it some people are more concerned with who they are seen to be, or supposed to be, associated with - but if you had been subject to what we were yesterday ( were you there?) - including by conference delegates and trade union reps and other activists - youi'd not be concerened with what people in the Labour party think. We know what they think. They've told us. Believe it.

I'm worried that everything we've worked for will be tossed aside as a Tory talking point/election strategy after the GE.

Being " associated" with the Conservative party is the very least of our worries. This shit is actually happening and everyone is going to vote for it, thereby endorsing it.

Strong agree and I think this is how we are going to see increasing amounts of articles leading up to the general election.

I'm concerned this only cements the existing association (amongst many) with the Conservative party, what's going to happen if (when?) they lose?

Having managed to keep smiling yesterday and distance myself from all of the vitriol and abuse, and the 'in your face' encounters - that went on for two whole hours....I'm now feeling a lot of residual anger and rage - towards woke bros generally and towards those fucking idiotic kids who are not capable of practising what they preach. In fact I came down with a full on lights flashing/ zig zag lines migraine earlier

I agree. I do not like the Quentin Letts, never have.

Sorry to say but the Letts article is sniggering and dismissive.

Its written to get a laugh and in fact shows that the DM is no more committed to GC politics than any other corporation. For them it is just a handy angle to write anti Labour comments.

Its the sort of article that if if was the local tv news, would be the one at the end about a funny dog, or a lollipop lady retiring after 90s years of helping the little dears across the road.

And of course no other paper has written about it.

Why would they care about women being silenced when they can smooze and get gossip at the conference.

(Apparently the Labour Conference has something like twice the number of stalls than previous years, and the vast majority are businesses.)

But hey, they make tshirts with the progress pride flag on them 🙄

Honestly I'm at the point where any time I see an organisation talking about diversity but only flying this flag, I'm.going to assume that they actively discriminate against the other protected characteristics until it's fully proven otherwise.

A quick google found this

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/fire-service-culture/

Wasn't there a report about widespread misogyny in the Fire Service?

Sorry haven't read the whole thread, but I was gobsmacked by the audacity of this - one of the shouting men is member of fire service union.

https://twitter.com/BigBillMoon/status/1711166328780816818?t=X7yA6Sh3EWG-yOjaCbaCnA&s=19

There was a report the other day about a female surgeon, I'm not sure if it was more than one, actually being sexually assaulted while she was trying to perform surgery.

I've just had the YouTube footage playing while I did other stuff, but stopped to re-watch the woman who spoke about being sexually assaulted as a nurse, when 3 other nurses (men) watched & encouraged it.

I was flabbergasted.

Does this still happen in the NHS? Excuse me for being naive, but it was shocking.

I'd guess that the Echo currently have their in-house TRA Paul McAuley refining propaganda so it passes as journalism to the casual reader
Thanks for the heads up Baron, I've just checked again online. It's like it never happened.

Glad the article noted the tide of aggressive filth emanating from the mob.

Women trying to speak. Men behaving like thugs. Thank you for the very clear demo. That's the world Starmer et al think is 'the right side of history'.

They identify as being sane too.

I'm amazed afresh at KJK's sloganning genius. Let Women Speak - and the thugs scream No! Nothing to do with trans anything, just women being prevented from speaking. Great optics (not) for the screamers.

It’s the norm for TRAs

Why are we even entertaining this stuff anymore

They are thugs

Not just because all those Labour women who mumble the agreed line, but because Labour Women's Declaration, who are also gender critical, wont speak up about women being harangued so that their voices are drowned out, because of who the messenger is.

One or two women who were there yesterday will also be at the LWD tonight. I suspect it will be mentioned as a concern that should be addressed regardless of feelings about KJK. The LWD venue has been held back for a lot longer for fear of the MRAs than LWS was.

I'd guess that the Echo currently have their in-house TRA Paul McAuley refining propaganda so it passes as journalism to the casual reader.