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Let Women Speak Liverpool - Sunday 8th October, 1-3pm

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starfruittree · 28/09/2023 23:13

NC for this.
For a long time I have always said to myself if a LWS event came near to me, the least I could do was go along and show solidarity. Seeing what has happened elsewhere has made me so angry, it would be time to stand up and be counted.

Now there is an event next week, and I'm really surprised how nervous, even scared I am about going along just to listen, and really just wanted to reach out for advice, support, whatever.

I'm worried about the vitriol of protesters, the attitude of the police. I have worked in pretty 'captured' sectors and am concerned about being identified on social media, or by acquaintances - I'm fairly sure there'll be old contacts, people I like and who I have had time for - protesting or certainly vocally supporting the shutting down of KJK on the day. I guess I personally run the risk of being publicly 'outed' and losing friends and contacts that will have a real impact on things I do that mean a great deal to me.

Yet I feel if I don't go I will always regret not standing up and showing KJK support on my doorstep. I'm even worried about DM-ing the local Women's Rights Network as I tweet with my full name. Perhaps if anyone is on this board they can PM here, or give some info about plans for the day?

Sorry I haven't seen any threads about this LWS event so apologies if there is one already.

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ArabellaScott · 14/10/2023 08:40

Good god.

'non male people'

Fuck that.

starfruittree · 14/10/2023 08:35

Ohyoudodoyou · 14/10/2023 07:35

One more update on the band Frog Dylan, who will forever be tainted on Merseyside's very close knit music scene...this is their new account and their explanation as to why they felt it necessary to turn up to abuse 'non males' -

twitter.com/frogdylanband/status/1712922704276242583

Oh my goodness. How could they have actually made themselves look worse? "Doxxed" by the "alt-right"? For being recognisable figures in a public place?! Thought they were 'norrarsed'!

"Non-male people"? A 'Posie Parker is a fascist' website link as 'proof" of their virtue? Throwing their dodgy band mate under the bus to save their skins because of said 'alt right' doxxing? Telling people to donate to Stonewall, natch.

Idiots.

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Ohyoudodoyou · 14/10/2023 07:35

One more update on the band Frog Dylan, who will forever be tainted on Merseyside's very close knit music scene...this is their new account and their explanation as to why they felt it necessary to turn up to abuse 'non males' -

twitter.com/frogdylanband/status/1712922704276242583

duc748 · 13/10/2023 22:00

'Turkey teeth' had me stumped for a minute, but yeah, I get it. 😀If one thing's a growth industry these days, it's grifting. Trump led the way there, of course, amongst others. Glad to see that odious individual isn't benefiting from his actions.

WickedSerious · 13/10/2023 21:46

Ohyoudodoyou · 13/10/2023 17:09

I'm devastated for them.

RebelliousCow · 13/10/2023 21:36

It appears that the group 'Frog Dylan' who were very pleased with themselves to be abusing women on Sunday - have been abandoned by the promoter of their up-coming gig.

Somehow it is gratifying to discover that free speech means being accountable for TRAs and their hangers on too.

Ohyoudodoyou · 13/10/2023 17:16

duc748 · 12/10/2023 23:13

It's the modern way. Look at Tommy Robinson, punters send him a small fortune.

He's a div too, but don't think he asks for fluffy toys.
It's fine to ask for 'buy me a coffee' if you're an artist or something or doing good works but these are men asking people to fund Turkey teeth etc and pay their utility bills because they are too entitled to graft.

Ohyoudodoyou · 13/10/2023 17:09

twitter.com/Harvest_Sun/status/1712751645224743401

Oh that's a shame.

duc748 · 12/10/2023 23:13

It's the modern way. Look at Tommy Robinson, punters send him a small fortune.

Ohyoudodoyou · 12/10/2023 20:33

I recognise one of those angry trans activists on the YouTube video - always asking for money for trips and coffees and birthday presents. Grown adults asking people for
Money on Twitter, the utter leech.

RebelliousCow · 12/10/2023 20:20

Thanks! I've logged that one and downloaded the evidence.

ArabellaScott · 12/10/2023 19:25

Ohyoudodoyou · 12/10/2023 17:43

twitter.com/hoarderoffacts/status/1712426714083561709

Ace lads these - talk of rape.
Be sure your sins will find you out...

Gross creeps.

Ohyoudodoyou · 12/10/2023 17:45

Shall we stand and scream outside the venues when their band 'Frog Dylan' plays?
#letgobshitessing

Ohyoudodoyou · 12/10/2023 17:43

twitter.com/hoarderoffacts/status/1712426714083561709

Ace lads these - talk of rape.
Be sure your sins will find you out...

RebelliousCow · 12/10/2023 08:36

The Charles Veitch video was amusing. He got away with it, though, because he's a 6ft,5 man who also has a way of disarming people with humour.

I'm glad they got some push back that made them look silly, even to themselves.

DiabolicalFinial · 12/10/2023 02:41

@FemaleAndLearning 💐

IwantToRetire · 12/10/2023 01:03

I think the video and FemaleAndLearning in two very contrasting ways shows what the problem is.

These (mainly) young people genuinely thing their experience of the world is what the world is.

And they are so busy conforming to what others are doing they have no idea that on one level how silly they are (video) but on another so despicably lacking in humanity (ie how the real lives of women are far, far more than shouting slogans to please men)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 00:57

@FemaleAndLearning Flowers

awombofonesown · 11/10/2023 23:49

@FemaleAndLearning I'm so sorry about your daughter x

FemaleAndLearning · 11/10/2023 23:16

starfruittree · 11/10/2023 22:51

Trans Safety on Twitter alerted me that Charles Veitch was there. No idea who he is but here is his film.

Thanks for sharing this. No idea who he is either. Like Quentin Letts I think outsiders approaching with a sense of bemusement really has its uses here. Unfortunately it looks like only men could get away with it though.

What is apparent is once again the importing of so many stupid American tactics here - the intimidation, the pushing, even the bit with the protester with the stick - all out of the 'repent motherfucker' playbook. Goading people who are doing absolutely nothing wrong to try and get them into trouble with police. It's pathetic.

Of course Trans_Safety haven't shared the video and you can never comment on there posts so if those on twitter would like to quote post their far right post and add the video so people get to see what they are talking about I think that would be useful.

FemaleAndLearning · 11/10/2023 23:13

As I was leaving a he/him woman girl (it's hard to tell they look so young but they must be women not girls) also asked me something. Being rather deaf I had to go over to her.
He/him She: if your child was trans would you still love them?
Me: my child wouldn't be trans
Her: but what if they were?
Me: they wouldn't be trans because of biological reality.

I think I was shocked that she thought a mother could stop living their child for any reason. She had a very posh accent and no doubt very supportive and affirmative parents and was terribly worried for the poor children who had mothers like me who believes that people can't change sex!

These young women no nothing of what it is like to be a mother. She doesn't know me. She doesn't know that my first born daughter would've been 18 years old last month if she hadn't died at 9 months old. But yeah go ahead and imagine I'm the monster you've been told I am.

FemaleAndLearning · 11/10/2023 23:06

One of the Transmaids beckoned me over to the barrier this is roughly the conversation.
Woman: do you know the Tories have been embezzling money?
Me:What? I'm not here to talk about that I'm hear to listen to women speaking about their experiences, their abuse, sexual trauma, rape.
Woman: but don't you care about the big picture
Me: I'm hear to listen to women not talk about general politics
Woman: but don't you see it's all connected
Me: I'm sure it my darling, I've been alive a lot longer than you, but I'm not discussing that today.
Woman: but I'm sure you believe that small injustices are as bad as big injustices.
Me: damn right I do that's why I'm here focusing on this crap
Woman: so you focus on just one issue
Me: yep I'm a single issue woman and I'll vote for the candidate, not a party, who knows what a woman is, an adult human female
Woman: but don't you see this is a distraction
Me: too right it's a bleeping distraction having to get men out of my spaces stopping children be harmed (I used the m word). But here we are I have to waste my energy on this. And when this is all over I can get back to proper politics.

To be honest I did swear a lot and the woman complained about my loud voice to which I had to tell her I had to shout because her lot were making so much noise that I couldn't hear and I was deaf because I'm bloody old!

starfruittree · 11/10/2023 22:51

Trans Safety on Twitter alerted me that Charles Veitch was there. No idea who he is but here is his film.

Thanks for sharing this. No idea who he is either. Like Quentin Letts I think outsiders approaching with a sense of bemusement really has its uses here. Unfortunately it looks like only men could get away with it though.

What is apparent is once again the importing of so many stupid American tactics here - the intimidation, the pushing, even the bit with the protester with the stick - all out of the 'repent motherfucker' playbook. Goading people who are doing absolutely nothing wrong to try and get them into trouble with police. It's pathetic.

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