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DS's school - deep in genderwoo

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doublehistrionics · 28/09/2023 21:06

DS started at senior this term, y9. It's a private school, he was at the prep before.

A couple of weeks in it's clear the school is pretty captured by gender ideology. He has a teacher who is they/them, all the teachers wearing pronouns on their lanyards and DS has been told that he must get it right or he could be sanctioned.

Last week they were invited in to a room, one-by-one and with a tape recorder running asked to state their pronouns, to someone not known to them at all and quite possibly a non-staff member.

I'm pretty exasperated. I've emailed and had a conversation with the head of house who made noises about escalating it and having conversations but I don't believe anything will change.

Anyone else having this experience?

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Mari60 · 30/09/2023 22:18

I agree with everything Spookymormonhelldream has just said.

I've had 3 trans identified pupils who all eventually desisted - two after leaving school and one whilst still at school.

My impression of the eldest is that she was being pressurised into being trans by her peers, if that doesn't sound crazy: she was laid back if a teacher 'deadnamed' her. (Only her real name was on the register.) It was the other kids who started screaming 'Transphobia!'

I shudder to think what would have happened to the youngest girl if she'd been coerced into giving her pronouns to an adult. She desisted after less than a year.

Spookymormonhelldream · 29/09/2023 20:35

Fuxking hell. No advice but solidarity OP. The recording thing would have me absolutely on the warpath though. What if a pupil 'identifies' as something then changes their mind? It's no one's business and certainly a breach of GDPR.
I'm Catholic and my DS will be attending catholic secondary school. At the open evening the Head was very clear that sex Ed is taught in line with the values of the church. It was a very thinly veiled way of saying, no woo bullshit here.

Leafstamp · 29/09/2023 20:30

RhymesWithOrange · 29/09/2023 20:12

It's not that hard to push back at schools, this ideology is utterly indefensible. I would encourage every parent to have meetings with schools if it rears it's ugly head.

Safe Schools Alliance; Transgender Trend; Sex Matters all have great resources.

This. Plus I'd go a step further and suggest parents proactively seek out information about what their children are learning and how the school is approaching this topic both in the classroom and in policies.

Sex matters have useful info here : Use School Check to find out if a school has been captured by gender-identity ideology - Sex Matters (sex-matters.org)

Use School Check to find out if a school has been captured by gender-identity ideology - Sex Matters

There are a lot of suggestions here, but just do as much as you have time for. Some parts may be easier for you than others – but even if you have only looked in a few places, it's still worth approaching the school.

https://sex-matters.org/take-action/school-check/

RhymesWithOrange · 29/09/2023 20:12

It's not that hard to push back at schools, this ideology is utterly indefensible. I would encourage every parent to have meetings with schools if it rears it's ugly head.

Safe Schools Alliance; Transgender Trend; Sex Matters all have great resources.

Chasetherainblownfearsaway · 29/09/2023 20:07

Apart from anything else, requiring students to disclose pronouns is essentially requiring trans students to out themselves. There is no way that should happen in a school. And the data protection issues are legion.

stayflufft · 29/09/2023 19:52

doublehistrionics · 28/09/2023 21:06

DS started at senior this term, y9. It's a private school, he was at the prep before.

A couple of weeks in it's clear the school is pretty captured by gender ideology. He has a teacher who is they/them, all the teachers wearing pronouns on their lanyards and DS has been told that he must get it right or he could be sanctioned.

Last week they were invited in to a room, one-by-one and with a tape recorder running asked to state their pronouns, to someone not known to them at all and quite possibly a non-staff member.

I'm pretty exasperated. I've emailed and had a conversation with the head of house who made noises about escalating it and having conversations but I don't believe anything will change.

Anyone else having this experience?

Bloody hell. I would be taking a complaint as far as possible. This madness needs to end.

Twilight7777 · 29/09/2023 19:45

Christ what comes next identifying people by a 5 digit number?!

Mari60 · 29/09/2023 19:41

My former HT was castigated by a local councillor for not doing enough for LGBQT+ . He pointed out that neither was the school up the road. "That's different. It's a Catholic school."

I would absolutely consider a faith school for a child of mine, if it meant that it would save them from Mermaids and the like.

AlisonDonut · 29/09/2023 19:39

You are going to be asking for a copy of that recording right?

Mari60 · 29/09/2023 19:36

Just before I quit my middle management post, I was tasked with writing a Diversity Policy for my school. At that time, Stonewall was advising schools to go to Mermaids for advice on transgender issues.

I wouldn't touch Stonewall with a ten foot bargepole these days.

MinervaBoudicca · 29/09/2023 19:00

‘Last week they were invited in to a room, one-by-one and with a tape recorder running asked to state their pronouns, to someone not known to them at all and quite possibly a non-staff member’

surely that’s a complete safeguarding fail right there?

TodayInahurry · 29/09/2023 16:44

This is deeply sinister, it is what you would expect from communist China not the UK. Can you report to you local authority and even the police?

take the child somewhere else, no wonder children have mental health issues.

doublehistrionics · 29/09/2023 16:24

@RhymesWithOrange well done on achieving that at your DD's school. I've got a bit of time and I feel like it's a battle worth fighting.

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MargotBamborough · 29/09/2023 16:18

PorcelinaV · 29/09/2023 16:15

I would worry that they have abandoned the religious stuff in favour of more fashionable ideas.

I live in France and parents quite regularly post in local Facebook groups asking about how much genderwoo is being taught in state primary schools and whether private Catholic schools are a better option if you want to avoid it.

PorcelinaV · 29/09/2023 16:15

MargotBamborough · 29/09/2023 16:09

It's actually getting to the point where I'd consider sending my child to a religious school in the hope that they will be taught less woowoo.

I would worry that they have abandoned the religious stuff in favour of more fashionable ideas.

PorcelinaV · 29/09/2023 16:12

RhymesWithOrange · 29/09/2023 16:06

How much time and energy do you have to devote to this? I did a lot of correspondence and meetings with my DD's school and things did change (e.g. the "Pride" club is now called the Friendly club and is a general #BeNice place rather than TRA nest.

The Safe Schools Alliance, Transgender Trend and Sex Matters resources are pretty hard to argue against so do use them.

That's impressive.

I wonder if maybe people could push for the GC perspective (or associated conservative view) to be taught in schools, if they are going to be exposed to stuff about transgenderism and pronouns.

I mean teach in the sense that this is one perspective that many people have, and these are the arguments that they give.

MargotBamborough · 29/09/2023 16:09

PorcelinaV · 29/09/2023 16:07

It's not like it's a religious school where you know what you're getting.

I doubt any of the parents were told in advance, "choose this school because these are the values that we will teach your kids".

It's actually getting to the point where I'd consider sending my child to a religious school in the hope that they will be taught less woowoo.

PorcelinaV · 29/09/2023 16:07

PinkRoses1245 · 28/09/2023 21:51

It’s private school, zero sympathy here.

It's not like it's a religious school where you know what you're getting.

I doubt any of the parents were told in advance, "choose this school because these are the values that we will teach your kids".

RhymesWithOrange · 29/09/2023 16:06

How much time and energy do you have to devote to this? I did a lot of correspondence and meetings with my DD's school and things did change (e.g. the "Pride" club is now called the Friendly club and is a general #BeNice place rather than TRA nest.

The Safe Schools Alliance, Transgender Trend and Sex Matters resources are pretty hard to argue against so do use them.

itsmyp4rty · 29/09/2023 16:00

easylikeasundaymorn · 28/09/2023 23:26

apart from anything else, can you imagine the outcry if this was applied to any other personal characteristic?

Having to walk into a room alone with a random unidentified person and declare your sexuality, religion, any disabilities, etc. and have it recorded with no option to opt out?

there's a reason that when those questions are asked in job applications or similar they are a) optional and b) keep anonymous and apart from the main application

Yes I think you need to ask them if they think it would be appropriate to take children into a room, put them in front of someone they don't even know and ask any of those things.

They need a very big rethink.

tinkerella1 · 29/09/2023 15:51

Which groups? Always good to know which ones to look out for.

MargotBamborough · 29/09/2023 15:43

Maybe you could mention that more and more employers are cutting ties with Stonewall due to their questionable attitudes towards women, children and gay people and their bullying tactics.

Do they have any links with Mermaids?

doublehistrionics · 29/09/2023 15:37

@tinkerella1 I've confirmed where they're getting their resources with them, it's the same place as all the other schools in my area, Stonewall and some really bad news pressure groups.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/09/2023 14:26

In addition to the article about safeguarding in schools mentioned upthread, Safe Schools Alliance & Genspect are a fantastic source of advice for parents.

We don't have to put up with this. Too much of what is being taught in schools is unethical and age inappropriate and sadly with the government still prevaricating, parents are having to take on schools alone.
Safe Schools Allaince have a massive range of template letters & other resources:
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

Genspect also have a range of resources including direct support for parents with children caugt up in this, training for schools and advice for parents in dealing with schools:

https://genspect.org/support/

Homepage - Safe Schools Alliance UK

Welcome to our homepage. This explains who we are, what we do and how we are campaigning for a better understanding of child safeguarding.

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net

tinkerella1 · 29/09/2023 14:06

what I would ask the school is where they are getting their guidance from? Ask them to direct you to the documents that recommended this approach. The Independent Schools Council and HMC give guidance on Diversity and Inclusion, was it part of their advice to the school?
Or did they receive guidance from a charity, and what safeguarding procedures were taken to check the work of individuals involved creating this pronoun performance.

It’s worth mentioning that the Bayswater Support Group surveyed parents and found that 80% of children who wanted to change their pronouns or declared a non binary status had been bullied. What has the school done to ensure children who proclaim an opposite/non binary pronoun are not the victims of bullying. Do feel free to DM me if you want to.

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