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Medical discrimination against cisgender men and women

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PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 13:12

This is something that worries me, as it appears that there may be an institutional medical bias and discrimination against cisgender men and women.

At one point with hormone use for trans people, we were talking about a serious mental health issue and gender dysphoria. So that distress then justified major interventions like surgery and cross sex hormones.

But now, they seem to have lowered the bar, and e.g. non binary people that aren't even supposed to be suffering from mental illness (debatable going off some TikToks), are being, "helped in affirming their gender".

https://www.gendergp.com/non-binary-hormone-use/

OK, so if you have lowered the bar that much, why aren't they also helping cisgender men and women to "affirm their gender"?

Cisgender males could want testosterone for building muscle. That's tied up with their gender identity and gender expression for sure.

That's also true for some cisgender women. It would be a stereotype to think that muscle and strength are only for cisgender men.

Neither can we think that a woman who does that would have to be, "non binary". Of course it can also be part of the gender expression for cisgender women who don't have to conform to traditional gender roles or expectations.

However, I think the best case here, on health grounds, is adult cisgender males.

If your lifestyle involves healthy eating, cardio, weight training, and you were to take limited amounts of testosterone to help you with that, then the risks may not be too high.

(We aren't talking about the black market very high dosage drug cocktails, multiple drugs, taken by some pro bodybuilders here, which is unquestionably dangerous.)

So what I'm thinking, is that it's likely going to be safer to give testosterone to cisgender adult males, than to give it to "non binary" biological females.

So if it's safer, why wouldn't they want to help the cisgender males with their gender expression, if they are willing to help non binary people with gender expression?

Hormone Use for Non-Binary People

Key information about hormone options available for non-binary people. HRT may be used by non-binary people on a regular basis.

https://www.gendergp.com/non-binary-hormone-use

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PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 14:50

@Thelnebriati

If you mean that men may go to a testosterone replacement clinic, when their real agenda isn't that they have an unusually low level, or declining levels because of age, but are doing it for "cosmetic purposes", then I don't see why that's relevant here.

That means that some men manipulate the system, or some private doctors may turn a blind eye for customers.

What I'm talking about, is the medical system not recognising cisgender "gender affirmation" in the same way as non binary.

That would look like bias and discrimination if they don't officially place it on an equivalent level.

Of course this doesn't apply to that part of the medical profession that thinks things have gone too far.

But for the activists, and the doctors involved in this, they can either support cisgender gender affirmation with hormones, or they can be charged with bigotry and discrimination.

If not, then why not?

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IcakethereforeIam · 26/09/2023 14:22

I want feminine clothing, makeup and beauty treatments to affirm my gender. On the NHS of course. Although, I'll pay for the prescription. I'm not a grifter after all.

PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 13:48

Thelnebriati · 26/09/2023 13:40

It's not an issue. Men can and do buy testosterone for cosmetic purposes from private clinics or doctors. Cosmetic treatment is something that people pay for themselves.

Haven't heard of this. Can you give an example of a clinic?

I'm aware of clinics that would give testosterone replacement for health purposes, but not testosterone for "cosmetic purposes".

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Toseland · 26/09/2023 13:47

Don't give them any more ideas, we're in a terrible mess already!

Thelnebriati · 26/09/2023 13:40

It's not an issue. Men can and do buy testosterone for cosmetic purposes from private clinics or doctors. Cosmetic treatment is something that people pay for themselves.