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MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:54

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:47

That sounds like a beautiful utopia. It’s not the reality though, and most of the people on this thread would not welcome some of the trans men I’ve met with open arms. Their bigotry would shift onto him.

People continue to confront butch lesbians.

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/10/31/cis-woman-harassed-transphobe-female-toilet-short-hair/

Like this woman, you mean?

Lol, what utter bullshit.

Cis woman harassed by ‘transphobe’ who followed her into female toilet

A viral TikTok video has shown a cisgender woman getting confronted over her gender identity in a public toilet because she had short hair.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2022/10/31/cis-woman-harassed-transphobe-female-toilet-short-hair

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:53

PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 20:50

Do you know of any cases of trans women being attacked in men's toilets?

It's not impossible, as some men will pick on gender non conformity.

But I haven't noticed evidence that there are actually attacks on trans women in that situation.

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Why do they need to be attacked ?

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:52

Who is being forced out? Are they being escorted out? Harassed? Or are they choosing to leave despite not being bothered at all?

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PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 20:50

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:47

That sounds like a beautiful utopia. It’s not the reality though, and most of the people on this thread would not welcome some of the trans men I’ve met with open arms. Their bigotry would shift onto him.

People continue to confront butch lesbians.

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Do you know of any cases of trans women being attacked in men's toilets?

It's not impossible, as some men will pick on gender non conformity.

But I haven't noticed evidence that there are actually attacks on trans women in that situation.

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Froodwithatowel · 26/09/2023 20:49

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:16

What the hell are these ‘needs’? And why do they involve making it awkward for trans people to pee when out shopping?

I feel like you have not hung out with many trans people in real life. They are the opposite of ‘men who have no respect for women.’

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If they had respect for women they wouldn't invade their space knowing that as they walk in to do them in their own way, and have their preferred choice of all the spaces to live their best life in, some women are forced to walk out and have nothing at all.

I'm absolutely over the 'lovely trans friend' bit, I have no time or respect for anyone who thinks other women and their exclusion don't matter when it comes to enabling a man. If you seriously aren't aware that some women cannot share mixed sex spaces then I think the vile phrase is 'educate yourself', but how you've managed to stay this naive baffles me. Perhaps you have not 'hung out' with a particularly diverse group of women.

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:49

PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 20:46

You may be surprised, but there is actually quite a number of threads on that already. 🙂

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Got it …

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:48

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:44

Funny how no one who asks this question can answer why trans people need to use spaces for members of the opposite sex.

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I have been accused on this thread of repeating the reason for that too much.

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:47

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:42

No, it shouldn't.

If only men could be more welcoming of members of their own sex with gender identities, and if only people with gender identities realised that there is actually no such thing as a toilet which matches any kind of gender identity, we could just go back to having penis owners use the toilets with the urinals on the walls and uterus owners use the toilets with sanitary bins and put this tedious debate behind us.

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That sounds like a beautiful utopia. It’s not the reality though, and most of the people on this thread would not welcome some of the trans men I’ve met with open arms. Their bigotry would shift onto him.

People continue to confront butch lesbians.

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PorcelinaV · 26/09/2023 20:46

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:40

No one has answered why women need single sex spaces.

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You may be surprised, but there is actually quite a number of threads on that already. 🙂

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MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:44

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:40

No one has answered why women need single sex spaces.

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Funny how no one who asks this question can answer why trans people need to use spaces for members of the opposite sex.

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:43

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:38

You must think we were all born under a blueberry bush.

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You sound quite sheltered, so I can point you to some if you’re interested Margot.

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:42

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:39

For real, it’s a public toilet. It shouldn’t even be an issue.

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No, it shouldn't.

If only men could be more welcoming of members of their own sex with gender identities, and if only people with gender identities realised that there is actually no such thing as a toilet which matches any kind of gender identity, we could just go back to having penis owners use the toilets with the urinals on the walls and uterus owners use the toilets with sanitary bins and put this tedious debate behind us.

wincarwoo · 26/09/2023 20:41

It shouldn't be an issue you're right. But somehow men have made it an issue.

If men don't want trans men in their toilets they are welcome to object. I wonder why they don't??

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:40

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:39

Personally I was wondering why we are now talking about which toilets exceptionally big, burly trans men should be using rather than focusing on women who need single sex spaces.

Seems almost like a deliberate derail.

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No one has answered why women need single sex spaces.

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:39

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2023 20:37

Shame this once fascinating thread is now obsessing about toilets. Wonder why?

For real, it’s a public toilet. It shouldn’t even be an issue.

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:39

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2023 20:37

Shame this once fascinating thread is now obsessing about toilets. Wonder why?

Personally I was wondering why we are now talking about which toilets exceptionally big, burly trans men should be using rather than focusing on women who need single sex spaces.

Seems almost like a deliberate derail.

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:38

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:35

You’re hanging out with some particularly scrawny, hairless trans men then.

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You must think we were all born under a blueberry bush.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/09/2023 20:37

Shame this once fascinating thread is now obsessing about toilets. Wonder why?

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:36

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:34

Well then no one will care if your friend uses the men's then, will they?

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Awesome! Great to hear. Not really sex based then, is it?

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:35

Desecratedcoconut · 26/09/2023 20:33

Oh please, transmen are only convincing from the neck up.

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You’re hanging out with some particularly scrawny, hairless trans men then.

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:34

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:33

I am thinking of my friend in particular. You cannot tell, and he is huge.

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Well then no one will care if your friend uses the men's then, will they?

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:33

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 20:31

You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think we can't easily tell what sex people are 99.9% of the time.

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I am thinking of my friend in particular. You cannot tell, and he is huge.

Desecratedcoconut · 26/09/2023 20:33

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:30

How on earth would you know? You would just see a big muscly man with a beard.

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Oh please, transmen are only convincing from the neck up.

wincarwoo · 26/09/2023 20:33

fionamattel · 26/09/2023 20:31

But you would not be able to tell the difference between him and any other man.

Apart from all the clues that humans have used for centuries to identify people of either sex. Even when disguised.

wincarwoo · 26/09/2023 20:32

As the pp said. They are of no threat to men or women so toilet choice isn't that important. Most people don't want to unintentionally scare or intimidate people though so...