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Jo Phoenix vs The OU Employment Tribunal 2nd October (whispers Ben Cooper)

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ickky · 25/09/2023 09:12

Employment Tribunal starts next Monday, not sure if it is available for remote viewing.

I have sent a request so we will see.

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 06/10/2023 10:44

Judge: We've got your point now (to OP Counsel)

LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/10/2023 10:44

Ben nipping in to object to OU counsel's 'commentary on evidence'

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ickky · 06/10/2023 10:44

BC intervenes, snippy reply from JM

BC said council should not engage in general commentary, rather than ask questions.

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Melissamelisante · 06/10/2023 10:43

She's not making a good show of herself - she's very combative.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 06/10/2023 10:42

ooh, judge pulling up OP counsel

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ickky · 06/10/2023 10:42

Did anyone hear what the judge said?

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 06/10/2023 10:42

I feel she's grasping at straws today. Good.

Chrysanthemum5 · 06/10/2023 10:41

JM sounding very belligerent today and basically accusing JP of lying

Chrysanthemum5 · 06/10/2023 10:40

So JM is saying a letter asking the OU to withdraw funding and support does not mean that JP's work was stopped. So does JM feel that if she were subject to a campaign asking for her trials to not be funded then that would not damage her work?

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 06/10/2023 10:40

Is OU counsel trying to show that Prof Jo has changed her story overnight? I thought she was answering a question from the Judge (didn't catch what it actually was)

Melissamelisante · 06/10/2023 10:38

God she's crap.

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ickky · 06/10/2023 10:31

JM to JP, you are opposed to Stonewall in Universities? (said incredulously)

Yes, I am on record as being opposed.

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 06/10/2023 10:30

TT reporting the judge having IT issues again this morning. We're in, but sound as only just turned on.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 06/10/2023 10:27

Just wanted to say thank you @ickky for posting the thread reader links for TT. I’m avoiding twitter so they’re super helpful

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ickky · 06/10/2023 10:13

No TT tweeted at the earliest 10.15am, there is an unspecified delay.

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Melissamelisante · 06/10/2023 10:13

Just seen Tribunal Tweets update that it will start 10:15 at earliest today.

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ickky · 06/10/2023 10:12

@Chrysanthemum5

From all that I have seen, it is the norm. Such a waste of time and money.

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Melissamelisante · 06/10/2023 10:12

Anyone in yet?

GCITC · 06/10/2023 10:11

All those hours spent meticulously timetabling. What a waste.

Chrysanthemum5 · 06/10/2023 10:10

Ah thanks @ickky One thing which I find interesting at these tribunals is how they all manage to be incompetent in different ways eg bundle issues with Allisons trial; tech issues with all of them; strict timetable that no one sticks to at this one. Is this just what the system is like?

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ickky · 06/10/2023 10:05

10.15 am start now 😒

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TheFireflies · 06/10/2023 09:54

RethinkingLife · 05/10/2023 16:19

I've been in recent meetings with people who were offering superfluous explanations that other attendees didn't need. And persisted in offering extra detail to those explanations even when it had been reiterated that the other members were at least as experienced and didn't need the explanations but were raising different matters.

The people who were the target of the unnecessary explanations had to remain conciliatory and civil. The explainers were under no such constraints and were, in fact, empowered to continue by the information that they had announced they were subject to "rejection (sensitivity) dysphoria" and hypersensitivity. Effectively, there is no way to comment on their behaviour without it being interpreted as oppressive and unjust.

So, it's fine for very experienced members to be addressed as if they're incompetent or inexperienced, but it's not appropriate to address that for fear of triggering RSD in those behaving in that in appropriate way.

Double-bind communication and asymmetric power gradients, you say? Oh my.

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Thing is, I have a disability which would mean I wouldn’t be able to do a physical job like, say, a police officer or postie. I couldn’t make demands that I’m employed to do a role I’m not fit for, solely because of allowances for my disability.

Therefore I’d argue these people are not fit for senior professional roles if they are not able to act properly.

(RSD can also be addressed therapeutically, a physically fucked up body can’t be)

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ickky · 06/10/2023 09:44

yes 10am start

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MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 06/10/2023 09:41

RethinkingLife · 05/10/2023 22:08

UK, health and social care, intersecting with business.

I wish I were anywhere near retirement so I'd know that I have a reasonable end in sight.

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Not sure what else I can say apart from blimey. Sorry you’re having to deal with this, it sounds insane.

katmarie · 06/10/2023 09:23

Is it 10am start again today?