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Women are non males now apparently..... ffs

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CampervanKween · 24/09/2023 17:57

What is this shit? Absolutely sick of it. Non males? Really???

Women are non males now apparently..... ffs
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duc748 · 24/09/2023 19:50

So males aren't allowed, unless they are also NB, in which case, step right in? It's illogical and senseless, as well as (obviously) being insulting to women.

HipTightOnions · 24/09/2023 19:47

I'm not sure why this is so confusing to you. It includes people you would call men - AMAB non-binary people and trans women.

Rude, patronising and also thick.

"AMAB non-binary people and trans women" are not "non-male", are they?

ApocalipstickNow · 24/09/2023 19:46

Non males only no non females allowed, I assume.

Still men and women will be the ones turning up.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/09/2023 19:44

I'm not sure why this is so confusing to you. It includes people you would call men - AMAB non-binary people and trans women. Would you describe them as women? I understand your desperate need to say you are being erased, but you can't have it both ways.

Did you mean to sound so fucking rude and patronising? Because you succeeded spectacularly.

MrInbetween · 24/09/2023 19:44

@FlirtsWithRhinos says it better than me 🤣

MrInbetween · 24/09/2023 19:42

@Dadjoke sooooo it’s basically open to…anyone.

So just say that it’s open to anyone!

Oh no but what’s the problem with that??!! Ooooo let me think? Why oh why have we had to have women only categories in many areas of life. Is it because men have been dominant for centuries and over the last 100 years we’ve attempted to give women a fucking chance.

Until now that is. As we are erased.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 24/09/2023 19:40

DadJoke · 24/09/2023 19:11

There are non-binary people there, including those you would call men. So, not just women, even by your standards.

And that's the problem isn't it?

By including "those you would call men" not just as "not men" but now even "non male", you have just given a perfect demonstration of how there's no way under Gender Ideology to include all women (original sex-based meaning) and exclude all men (original sex based meaning).

Of course, Genderists don't see that as a problem. They believe that body sex is so trivially unimportant to what one experiences in life that there is no need to even have names for it, so they don't think it matters that they make it literally impossible for female people (in the original sex-based meaning of the word), to recognize the commonalities they experience and to organize themselves to understand and fight against them.

Think about that. Genderists believe that one of the most consistently marginalized and oppressed groups don't even deserve a name.

Now, that would be a-ok if the Genderists' belief that body sex is trivial and unimportant was right.

But it isn't. They are wrong.

Obviously, undeniably, demonstrably, embarrassingly, catastrophically wrong. As even the most cursory glance at historic and current social indicators shows.(1)

And by insisting on it anyway, they are perpetrating a deep injustice against women and girls (original sex based meaning).

(1) Well, it shows as long as we still have access to sex-segregated data. Which is the other deep injustice against women and girls. Take away our name and you take away both our personal ability to identify common sex-based experiences, and our collective ability to prove that sex base with data.

CampervanKween · 24/09/2023 19:35

I am actually astounded that somebody would come on to the feminist board and scold women for complaining that they are now being referred to as "non male". Fuck off to the furthest side of fuck with that gaslighting misogynistic bullshit.

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gamerchick · 24/09/2023 19:26

DadJoke · 24/09/2023 19:20

I'm not sure why this is so confusing to you. It includes people you would call men - AMAB non-binary people and trans women. Would you describe them as women? I understand your desperate need to say you are being erased, but you can't have it both ways.

Look dude. You take away female, you have to take away male. The default can't be male or it looks like again, men are taking over the world.

Take away your flowery language and stick to the sodden point like.

RebelliousCow · 24/09/2023 19:25

DadJoke · 24/09/2023 19:20

I'm not sure why this is so confusing to you. It includes people you would call men - AMAB non-binary people and trans women. Would you describe them as women? I understand your desperate need to say you are being erased, but you can't have it both ways.

The issue is that they are now moving on from claiming 'womanhood'- to actually claiming they are female......Sex and gender, even for gender theorists, are two separate categories.

You have to be male to be a transwoman by definition. You cannot be a transwoman if you are female.

I think the gender ideologues have realised that people have now sussed out that woman and female are distinct categories ( and that males, even those that identify as women can be excluded from female sports categories and provisions) -and they are trying to claim new ground

CampervanKween · 24/09/2023 19:24

You are ignoring what everyone is saying it's male or female 🙄 not men women and non binary or whatever made up gender identity the said male or female person is rocking that day.

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Froodwithatowel · 24/09/2023 19:21

How ever a male person may identify, they remain male.

Using that kind of dehumanising language when you mean women and females, is unacceptable prejudice and misogyny.

DadJoke · 24/09/2023 19:20

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/09/2023 18:43

Because it includes people who aren't women. It's for female and non-binary DJs, and includes people even GC people wouldn't consider to be women.

Then use that language. I've seen all sorts recently:

Women and non-binary people
Women +
Women and gender diverse people.

There's no actual need to pretend women don't exist, even if you aren't GC. WE EXIST, WE'RE HALF THE SODDING POPULATION. I didn't actually mean those caps but I'm leaving them in anyway.

I'm not sure why this is so confusing to you. It includes people you would call men - AMAB non-binary people and trans women. Would you describe them as women? I understand your desperate need to say you are being erased, but you can't have it both ways.

RebelliousCow · 24/09/2023 19:19

gamerchick · 24/09/2023 19:17

So why say male, in that case?

Along with the cutesy term 'folk', TW are now referring to themselves as 'female' in a totalmdenial of biological sex. 'Woman' is supposed to be the gender identity, not 'female'.

pinkfondu · 24/09/2023 19:18

Funny isn't it how every fetus starts as Female yet we non-males!

gamerchick · 24/09/2023 19:17

DadJoke · 24/09/2023 18:39

Because it includes people who aren't women. It's for female and non-binary DJs, and includes people even GC people wouldn't consider to be women.

So why say male, in that case?

Myalternate · 24/09/2023 19:16

Being non-binary doesn’t change your sex. 😵‍💫

RebelliousCow · 24/09/2023 19:16

DadJoke · 24/09/2023 18:39

Because it includes people who aren't women. It's for female and non-binary DJs, and includes people even GC people wouldn't consider to be women.

But males who identify as women or as non-binary are still 'male'. Does it also include females who identify as men, I wonder, but who realise that that they are not 'male'?

the boundaries are becoming blurred not only between man and woman, but between male and female. What a mess!

It also implicitly positions men/males as oppressors.

CampervanKween · 24/09/2023 19:15

It doesn't say women or men though does it, it says male or non male. Completely different. Even if someone has a non binary gender identity, they are still either male or female.

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DadJoke · 24/09/2023 19:11

MrInbetween · 24/09/2023 19:03

@DadJoke you do realise that those people who are not men are…..women.

I hate to break it to you but there is no third (for fourth or fifth or sixth etc etc) sex.

Just two.

There are non-binary people there, including those you would call men. So, not just women, even by your standards.

DialSquare · 24/09/2023 19:10

MrInbetween · 24/09/2023 19:06

So I’m no longer a woman I am a non-man.

My daughter is no longer a girl but a non-boy.

My female hound is a non-dog.

My Aunt is a non-uncle

My Sister is my non-brother

And the world has finally lost the fucking plot

Yep

Incidentally, this would make a great poem for Boiledbeetle's book!

MrInbetween · 24/09/2023 19:06

So I’m no longer a woman I am a non-man.

My daughter is no longer a girl but a non-boy.

My female hound is a non-dog.

My Aunt is a non-uncle

My Sister is my non-brother

And the world has finally lost the fucking plot

MrInbetween · 24/09/2023 19:03

@DadJoke you do realise that those people who are not men are…..women.

I hate to break it to you but there is no third (for fourth or fifth or sixth etc etc) sex.

Just two.

IcakethereforeIam · 24/09/2023 19:00

Or try this link. Scroll down a little.

https://www.facebook.com/soundcityconference/?locale=en_GB

I'm not on fb, so I don't know how it'll look with a log in.

It's also listed like this on Eventbrite. I think there's usually a link at the bottom of each listing that you may be able to use to complain.

Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/soundcityconference?locale=en_GB

Prescottdanni123 · 24/09/2023 19:00

As long as male DJs are called non-female djs...whoops, silly me. Of course that is never going to fucking happen.

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