Women are non males now apparently..... ffs

The fundamental principle of sexism is that male is the default human and women are lesser males, or lesser humans. Human males are indoctrinated from a very young age with this belief whereas human females are led to believe they are equal but only achieve goodness through caring for others, especially men and children. Hence the carelessness that men display towards women and the baffling loyalty women display towards men.

People who adopt a non binary identity remain visibly male or female. Adopting an identity is like playing a role; putting on a costume. It doesn't change the reality of who and what you are. Queer Theory is all about performativity and about playing roles.

Change is hard NonMumJoke, but once you have embraced the need for inclusion by you of the uncles/aunts/sons/strangers/Guinea pigs and the need to make way for them and let them come first (after the Mums of course) the world will be a better place. As defined by we Mums anyway.

@maltravers i think we also need to think carefully about the definition of joke because currently I don’t see anyone laughing.

I’m renaming DadJoke as nonMumJoke, in the name of inclusivity. Then people who are uncles, cousins, aunties, sons and total strangers etc can all come under his umbrella and not feel excluded by his existence and hurtful name choice. Why would he/him/her/they object?

Oh sorry dadjoke There is another option, you are purely motivated by shaming women for rejecting males under the definition of women or female. Or should I use similarly dehumanising language and say ‘people who have had or who have penises’ as women or female people?

or swap out ejaculators / prostate havers…

Either way, your intention is as it has always been to shame women into accepting people YOU believe have some right to call themselves women or female as being called women or female.

What part of a male human telling women who is a woman and who is not is not misogynistic?

Apologies for the typo in your name, I am on the way out the door to work.

To me personally, that's the most insulting definition of a woman so far.

"The whole thread is based on a false premise."

Again, do you have a reading problem?

This whole thread is based on some organisation advertising something using fucking offensive language. There are several other ways that this ad could have been worded. They chose to use offensive language.

Again, you are here on a thread where women are pointing out that this is a misogynistic wording and attempting to shame women for rejecting it. That is your motivation on this thread, is it not? Pointing out that women should be ashamed for rejecting that terminology?

It's nice that you think you're on "TRSOH". It's better for your sleep if you think that.

Ah, yes, the thread where I criticised transgender people for shoehorning in trans women into a thread about FGM, and donated £500 to the Orchid Project to support Hibo Wadere's work.

its blatant that if you include non binary people without a qualifier about their sex you will end up with men included and no opportunities for the women who don’t ID as women.

presumably Transmen are not invited. So despite they’ve grown up as girls dealing with the same barriers other girls face, they don’t get included (denied opportunity). Yet they don’t get prioritised along with male djs, so lose out there too.

All through it this bullshit is bad for women. However they identify.

Yup.

Be dehumanised or recite the hail mary that men are women.

No.

“Non-binary people exist”.

Yes. They exist. They are either male or female people. What other sex are they? And have you ever presented any science to back up that they have changed sex?

No?

So therefore you are here demanding people believe misinformation.

“This fact doesn't make me a misogynist; it says more about your desire for permformative victimhood”

No perfornative victimhood here. You wrote another misogynistic post. YOUR post attempted to shame us for rejecting the label ‘non-male’. YOU effectively limited our choices to either accept we were either ‘non-male’ OR that transwomen are ‘female’. You wrote:

“You can't have it both ways. Either you are complaining that women are being defined as "non-males" in this ad or you think that nonbinary people and trans women are female.”

You are seriously misinformed if you think non-binary female people are not female. Please either provide scientific peer reviewed evidence of people changing sex OR that female non-binary people are not female human beings.

Of course, there are options to use different language than what was used. Labelling any female person a ‘non-male’ is misogynistic. Trying to shame people into accepting such misogynistic terms makes the person doing so a misogynist.

Again, thank you for continuing to provide live demonstrations of this.

It feels like the 4th century BC...

Aristotle’s infamous affirmation that “the female is a misbegotten male.” (De Gener. ii, 3).

I believe you are the only one on this thread who is demanding a misogynist limited choice between accepting ‘non-male’ or that males can now be females. Not one other poster has done this. You are attempting, as usual, to shame women who disagree with you.

You are either determinedly ignoring options or lack imagination. Which is it? See, we can present artificially limited options as well.

Cross posted

Wait, I don’t get it…does joke think he is winning the word game

women are being erased because they are being referred to as non men…thats the whole point of the OP

Women are not simply non-males. We agree on that. The whole thread is based on a false premise.

If they had wanted just women, they would have said women and you still wouldn't have been happy, because that would have included trans women.

Non-binary people exist. This fact doesn't make me a misogynist; it says more about your desire for permformative victimhood.

My table is a non male, maybe it should apply

Well said, Frood.

ClownfishBurble - now there’s a username waiting to happen!

Defined as existing only in their lack of manhood.

It's pre Suffragette stuff. How anyone can go wide eyed and wank away over this with a lot of clownfish burble defeats me. If you were actually even vaguely aware of social justice as a concept, inclusiveness, diversity, if you had even the basics of capacity for empathy and respect for others never mind #kindness you would be horrified by speaking of humans like this.

Yes, I’ve just about had it with all these non-women trying to erase the female sex class, and non-womansplaining to us about a lived experience they know toss all about.

Stay in your lane!