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Eternal reunion collapses after disagreements over playing Pride.

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ArabeIIaScott · 24/09/2023 17:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12554597/Louise-Redknapp-pulls-Eternal-reunion-bandmates-REFUSE-play-LGBTQ-festivals-Pride-claims-hijacked-trans-community.html

'Louise Redknapp pulls out of Eternal reunion after her bandmates REFUSE to play LGBTQ+ festivals and Pride over claims they are being 'hijacked' by the trans community'

Louise Redknapp 'pulls out of Eternal reunion LGBT row with bandmates'

Louise Redknapp has pulled out of an Eternal reunion after two members of the band refused to play LGBTQ+ festivals and Pride on the tour.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12554597/Louise-Redknapp-pulls-Eternal-reunion-bandmates-REFUSE-play-LGBTQ-festivals-Pride-claims-hijacked-trans-community.html

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Helleofabore · 26/09/2023 16:17

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:18

Well they’re wrong.

Why is it the public's business? Please be specific. Why should the public know ?

jelliestfish · 26/09/2023 16:10

Reading comprehension and logical reasoning are clearly not skills everyone on this thread possess.

Replace 'beliefs' with 'sexuality' and see if that changes your opinion on Louise's decision to publicly announce what she did about Easther and Vernie.

FrippEnos · 26/09/2023 15:58

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:34

Because their decision affects her career. She doesn’t owe them anything.

and they don't owe her anything either but then they are the ones that are not shooting their mouths off spreading rumours about other members of the band.

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 15:58

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:34

Because their decision affects her career. She doesn’t owe them anything.

Her decision to shoot her mouth off potentially affects their safety, which is more important than her career.

ArcaneWireless · 26/09/2023 15:42

She's welcome to talk about her own views all she likes.

What she has done here is tell a community of people with form for attacking women who disagree with them that two women disagree with them.

This. ⬆️

And no amount of Nivea is going to make that look good.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:34

Because their decision affects her career. She doesn’t owe them anything.

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 15:30

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:18

Well they’re wrong.

Why?

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 15:29

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:12

You’re still essentially saying that the Bennett sisters should be lauded for these views, but Louise Nurding should just shut up. Why are the views of some women more important than others?

I'm saying that she should focus on her own views and shut up about other people's, and especially shut up instead of telling a group known to contain a number of angry and aggressive "activists" that her two former bandmates do not share their beliefs.

If she doesn't know that that is what she has done then she needs to educate herself, as they say.

StephanieSuperpowers · 26/09/2023 15:18

Sueveneers · 26/09/2023 15:16

No one is sayin that. What they are saying, is that the Bennett sisters' views are none of the public's business, and it was not Louise's place to tell others.

If indeed they are their views.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:18

Sueveneers · 26/09/2023 15:16

No one is sayin that. What they are saying, is that the Bennett sisters' views are none of the public's business, and it was not Louise's place to tell others.

Well they’re wrong.

Sueveneers · 26/09/2023 15:16

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:12

You’re still essentially saying that the Bennett sisters should be lauded for these views, but Louise Nurding should just shut up. Why are the views of some women more important than others?

No one is sayin that. What they are saying, is that the Bennett sisters' views are none of the public's business, and it was not Louise's place to tell others.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:12

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 15:03

She's welcome to talk about her own views all she likes.

What she has done here is tell a community of people with form for attacking women who disagree with them that two women disagree with them.

You’re still essentially saying that the Bennett sisters should be lauded for these views, but Louise Nurding should just shut up. Why are the views of some women more important than others?

FrippEnos · 26/09/2023 15:08

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:01

So we’re supposed to laud the Bennett sisters for having these views, yet attack Louise Nurding for publicising it?

Madness.

We don't now what views the Bennett sisters hold or why, But you already believe someone else that is trying to big themselves up.

FKATondelayo · 26/09/2023 15:06

Speaking as a middle aged straight woman, I think it's odd that middle-aged straight women dominate Pride line-ups - Kylie, Eternal, Nadine Coyle, Lisa Scott Lee etc. Surely the conversation should be about making sure gay and lesbian artists get profile and top billing?

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 15:03

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:01

So we’re supposed to laud the Bennett sisters for having these views, yet attack Louise Nurding for publicising it?

Madness.

She's welcome to talk about her own views all she likes.

What she has done here is tell a community of people with form for attacking women who disagree with them that two women disagree with them.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 15:01

So we’re supposed to laud the Bennett sisters for having these views, yet attack Louise Nurding for publicising it?

Madness.

jelliestfish · 26/09/2023 14:58

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 14:52

They haven't been allowed to say why

Who’s stopping them?

Maybe the same thing that stops many women from openly and publicly discussing their views?

No one should be forced to declare their beliefs, but Louise has created a situation where they feel pressured to defend, deny or clarify. But anything they do say will be pored over, analysed and criticised. It's not exactly an appealing prospect, is it? Sometimes silence is the best of several bad options.

There was just no need for any of this.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 14:52

They haven't been allowed to say why

Who’s stopping them?

FrippEnos · 26/09/2023 14:51

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 14:39

What absolute bullshit.

Is it really "bullshit" we are already starting to see people de-transition and claims in court by those that did not receive the correct counselling and therapy for their issues and that were directed on to a transitioning path.

How many more will it take?
And that s doesn't even take into account the current change in rulings from the sports bodies.

jelliestfish · 26/09/2023 14:51

From a PR perspective it is highly unusual to proactively release a statement detailing a disagreement or difference of beliefs. And there's a reason for that - it does not reflect well on either party.

Louise's approach to this has been decidedly unpleasant. She is either poorly informed, poorly advised or perhaps just deliberately spiteful.

She may have boosted her reputation among TRAs, but at what cost to the Bennett sisters and herself?

FrippEnos · 26/09/2023 14:45

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 14:35

All she had to do was mind her own business and get on with her own life. If directly questioned about why the reunion wasn't happening anymore she could have just said something neutral like, "it didn't work out" or "we didn't have the same vision".

Why should she have to do that? If the Bennett sisters are sincere in these beliefs, they can stand by them.

Its the "IF" in there that makes the difference.

They haven't been allowed to say why,
All we have is hearsay;
And its hearsay that will bolster Louise's position in the Queer and trans community.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 14:39

PaperWalkAndTalk · 26/09/2023 13:34

Ah, the good old "Consequence Culture" post.

In a couple of years time it will be you paying the consequence for holding these views, when people realise the harm that is being done to children.

What absolute bullshit.

MargotBamborough · 26/09/2023 14:36

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 26/09/2023 14:29

The difference is there would not be the same backlash - as in public, viscous ... have you SEEN the abuse women get for stepping away from the T? - towards Louise and Co for staying we not tour without Pride events.

Surely it's obvious it's not even comparable?

Exactly.

If Louise does understand what sort of backlash her comments might cause for Easther and Vernie, what she did is appalling.

If she doesn't understand, maybe she needs to educate herself about why some people, including Easther and Vernie, actually object to the TQ+ and those who engage in trans activism, and consider whether that's something she actually wants to continue supporting.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 26/09/2023 14:35

All she had to do was mind her own business and get on with her own life. If directly questioned about why the reunion wasn't happening anymore she could have just said something neutral like, "it didn't work out" or "we didn't have the same vision".

Why should she have to do that? If the Bennett sisters are sincere in these beliefs, they can stand by them.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 26/09/2023 14:29

ScholesPanda · 26/09/2023 13:33

They were content to not play Pride, no-one has the right to force them to do that.
Louise and Kelle didn't want to do the tour if Pride wasn't included, do you think they should be forced too?
I've no doubt there will be a backlash, and there shouldn't be, but why should Louise be left in a position of either doing a tour she longer wants to do or making it look like she was the one who backed out?
They should have the courage of their convictions IMO.

The difference is there would not be the same backlash - as in public, viscous ... have you SEEN the abuse women get for stepping away from the T? - towards Louise and Co for staying we not tour without Pride events.

Surely it's obvious it's not even comparable?