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Liberal Democrat Motion

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Hurrydash · 24/09/2023 00:21

"Conference notes that... menstruation is not just a women's issue, and also affects some trans and non-binary people."

This motion was passed by a big majority of Lib Dems.

Will anyone be voting for them at the next GE?

If so please justify.

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ApocalipstickNow · 24/09/2023 10:38

“Menstruation is a women’s issue- however they identify. Some trans men and non binary people are affected by it.”

I know tm and nbs will object that they aren’t actually women but it would be helpful to accept personal identity and reality sometimes diverge.

PorcelinaV · 24/09/2023 10:36

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12541309/Now-ordinary-women-like-CANCELLED-trans-lobby-came-celebrities-like-JK-Rowling-wasnt-say-frontline-gender-debate-war.html

The campaign to cancel Natalie Bird began with an item of clothing.

She was standing in the sandwich queue when a woman marched over asking ‘Why are you wearing that T-shirt?’

The T-shirt in question had the words ‘Woman: Adult Human Female’ emblazoned across it. To some, an indisputable fact. To others, a red rag to a bull. Either way, it proved a provocative choice for a Liberal Democrat gathering.

‘I told the woman I was wearing it because I wanted debate,’ says Natalie, 45.

‘She asked me if I was an approved party candidate and I said yes, and she said: “Well, we’ll see about that.” ’

Days later, in December 2018, Natalie received a letter telling her she was banned from standing as an MP or holding party office for ten years.

The reason? Because she had ‘intentionally and deliberately sought to provoke a negative reaction... by way of wearing a piece of clothing that would be offensive to some members of the party.’

‘I was stunned,’ says Natalie. ‘All I want is some discussion about sex-based rights. As the survivor of an abusive relationship, I know how crucial it is for women to be able to access refuges and safe spaces which no men can access. This is a fundamental human right.’

Natalie, who says the party’s focus ‘has moved from women’s equality to trans rights’, believes it is pushing more and more women out of politics.

‘For speaking out, I’ve been bullied, harassed, hounded... and received twice the punishment [with the ten-year ban] that people receive for electoral fraud,’ she says.

Meet the ordinary women who are being CANCELLED by the trans lobby

A would-be MP, an artist and a singer are among the ordinary women who have been cancelled. Speaking to JILL FOSTER, they explain how they have been bullied, harassed and punished.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12541309/Now-ordinary-women-like-CANCELLED-trans-lobby-came-celebrities-like-JK-Rowling-wasnt-say-frontline-gender-debate-war.html

GrumpyPanda · 24/09/2023 10:32

MorvernBlack · 24/09/2023 00:38

I don't mind "women, transmen and NB". It's the erasure of the word woman or the "people who menstruate" that is problematic. Also inclusion of transwomen - just no.

I do very much mind that because it turns "woman" into a gender identity (which also opens a further can of worms as that would then include TW - so you'd have to add the cis nonsense.) Just put "women", combined with a footnoted disclaimer that the word is used as a sex term and includes people such as... who identify otherwise.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 24/09/2023 10:25

IcakethereforeIam · 24/09/2023 00:28

At times like this I'm always reminded that 'motion' is a synonym, a very apposite one. 'Passed a motion' even more so. 😡

Funnily enough I read the headline and thought, 'Lib Dems, eh? that'll be motion as in turd.'

Nope, won't be voting LD. I have a LD council and the thought of them is very good aversion therapy if I ever entertained the idea.

LemonRedwood · 24/09/2023 10:19

No, never again in a general election.

I voted for Lib Dem in my local council elections a few months ago because the candidate knocked on my door, I challenged her about the lib dem stance that TWAW and she revealed herself to be against gender ideology. She's also been a very good local councillor for years so I'd like to keep her.

But higher up in the party there is no such sense. They are actively damaging women and girls with their beliefs that men can be women just because they say so.

I'm now politically homeless. Can't vote LD or Green, can't vote Labour because Starmer is untrustworthy on the issue. Which leaves Conservative - they appear to know what a woman is but I'm not sure I could stomach voting that way.

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OldCrone · 24/09/2023 10:19

"Conference notes that... menstruation is not just a women's issue, and also affects some trans and non-binary people."

What's the difference between a 'trans or non-binary person who menstruates' and a woman?

Crouton19 · 24/09/2023 10:15

Justme56 · 24/09/2023 10:04

’some non-binary people’ says it all. They know exactly which ones.

Exactly. One to raise with them on the doorstep!

MargotBamborough · 24/09/2023 10:09

No, I will not be voting for the Lib Dems ever again.

In fact I would love it if they could disband, go back to their student politics because that's their level, and clear space for a centrist party made of actual grown ups who want to fix the economy and the environment to take their place.

Justme56 · 24/09/2023 10:04

’some non-binary people’ says it all. They know exactly which ones.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/09/2023 09:56

No, I won't be voting for the LibDems or the Greens or the WEP, and probably not for Labour either. All academic here as my Labour MP has one of the safest seats in the country, so my vote is worth nothing. I won't vote Tory, no matter what. I am rather hoping that a canvasser will knock so I can explain my views.

I have a short but apparently unattainable wishlist: I want my elected representatives to be intelligent, sensible, not credulous, principled, competent, kind and honest. I want them to expect good quality evidence to support anything they're being asked to support, and I want them to ask difficult questions. I want them to have enough backbone and humility to stand up and say when something doesn't make sense and to ask for it to be explained in simple terms.

Yes, I also want the moon on a stick. Hmm

Brainworm · 24/09/2023 09:48

There is a category of the human race that menstruates, there are huge within category differences within this group, but the commonality is the role their bodies play in sexual reproduction or the potential for it.

Presumably, in order to be inclusive, we should have two words to differentiate the two categories of humans that pertain to sexual reproduction but don't pertain to all of the other within group differences. We should then use these words when reproductive related issues are pertinent.

That would make things simpler. Hmmmm, if only we could find two words that everyone could understand?!

MorvernBlack · 24/09/2023 00:38

I don't mind "women, transmen and NB". It's the erasure of the word woman or the "people who menstruate" that is problematic. Also inclusion of transwomen - just no.

Kendodd · 24/09/2023 00:32

Actually I quite like it.
Biological women can't escape our biology regardless of how we dress and present ourselves. I think this recognises that. Although I haven't read the actual wording.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 24/09/2023 00:29

So because a tiny % of women want to pretend they are not women, everyone else has to pretend that menstruation isn't just a women's issue.

Men don't have periods and non binary is made up nonsense.

IcakethereforeIam · 24/09/2023 00:28

At times like this I'm always reminded that 'motion' is a synonym, a very apposite one. 'Passed a motion' even more so. 😡

TedWilson · 24/09/2023 00:23

Oh dear god.

No.