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Overlap of those who are GC on social media and are also Russell Brand supporters.

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FunViolet · 23/09/2023 07:57

I'm feeling quite discomfited by the number of people I follow on IG due to their GC content who have also now revealed themselves to be RB supporters/defenders.

I can't get my head around how I can so passionately agree with their beliefs on gender bollocks yet be so opposed on the Brand issue when both issues boil down to protecting the rights and safety of women and children.

Of course I don't expect anyone to share all my beliefs but it's just such a stark contrast. I hate feeling in some way aligned with conspiracy theory-spouting rape apologists 🤢 .

Anyone else noticed this?

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Helleofabore · 23/09/2023 08:51

How many are raising concerns about due process for the upcoming court cases? I have seen some discuss whether a continued trial by media could harm the court cases.

Some people are also reluctant to have things like YouTube pull monetisation based on media reporting without criminal charges or convictions yet being laid. It has been a discussion about precedence and symmetry. About the fact we want to stop women being deplatformed and having YouTube channels removed or demonetised while supporting YouTube’s actions around this man.

I think some people have then attempted to portray that as somehow supporting Brand when they are clear that they find his actions deplorable and vile. And that some people then use that as a tool to discredit those people or to somehow twist it as those people are hypocrites or whatever accusation they choose.

I also think that here is another instance of the harm detaching the feminist component of the original term ‘gender critical feminist’ has done. This was done by extreme trans activists who wished to then leverage any person who doesn’t believe that people can change sex. They did this to support their accusations of guilt by association with ‘right wing’ people.

Yet, that ‘gender critical’ label is now very clearly falsely used for people who seek to uphold gender stereotypes and gender roles while not believing humans can change sex. They are not critical of gender and have their own political aims, but some extreme trans activists use the term so all people they disagree with are under one umbrella.

So. Are those people you are talking about actually ‘gender critical’ in belief or are they simply people who don’t believe humans can change sex? Yet have been leveraged into an umbrella term falsely by people who want to discredit feminists and feminist discussion?

As always OP, I recommend that you read widely and fact check all you read while applying your critical thinking skills to analyse what the truth is.

AlexandriasWindmill · 23/09/2023 08:50

I haven't seen any gc feminists supporting RB.
Lots of people know biological sex is real, not all of them are gc or/and feminists. You must have noticed that before now.

FunViolet · 23/09/2023 08:48

@JacquelinePot I literally said in my OP that I don't expect everyone I agree with on one issue to agree with me on everything.

I just find it hard to process how someone can hold these two, hugely conflicting to me at least, beliefs at once.

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Talipesmum · 23/09/2023 08:48

Not seen that at all

FunViolet · 23/09/2023 08:46

@BelindaBears no I don't follow those kind of people.

Brendan O'Neil is one. Megan Murphy, while she hasn't afaik spoken out about RB, I saw that she'd liked his first video after the allegations which is a show of support. The others are surprisingly also GC feminists who have liked his video or are joining in with the 'mass media are setting him up narrative'.

Not loads of them but enough to make me 🤔.

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JacquelinePot · 23/09/2023 08:42

People accepting sets of pre-packaged beliefs, without applying their own critical thinking to each individual belief, is one of the reasons we're in this 'gender' mess.

If it's important to you that GC people share your views on other topics, I'd ask you why that is.

MrsTwartle · 23/09/2023 08:40

The only one I’ve seen is a family member who has become a raging anti vaxxer, anti covid, free speecher, who fully believes everything she’s told as long as it’s in line with “covid is just a cold, the vaccine will kill you”.
She is GC, but in a different way to most GC women I know, in that she fully endorses gender stereotypes and is hugely homophobic (being gay is for other people, not us - as she told her dc).
She fully supports RB because he was telling the truth, and the elites don’t like it.

Edited to add:
That’s more what I’d expect to see from right wing/anti woke people who happen to be GC because it fits with the rest of their stuff rather than because they actually care about women’s rights.
^^ this.

BelindaBears · 23/09/2023 08:33

I’ve seen precisely zero, but the GC people I follow are GC feminists so I wouldn’t expect them to be RB excusers. That’s more what I’d expect to see from right wing/anti woke people who happen to be GC because it fits with the rest of their stuff rather than because they actually care about women’s rights.

KohlaParasaurus · 23/09/2023 08:30

I haven't seen any. Are these people men or women?