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Scottish women - speak up now while you still can.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:40

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

'Police Scotland is setting up a dedicated hate crime unit ahead of Humza Yousaf's hugely controversial new laws coming into force early next year, it can be revealed.
The unit is expected to go live in November and training of the force's 16,400 officers gets underway in December in preparation for the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act being implemented in early 2024. The legislation consolidates existing law and extends protection for vulnerable groups with a new offence of "stirring up hatred".
Under the Act, offences are considered "aggravated" – which could influence sentencing – if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or variations in sex characteristics. Critics fear a disproportionate amount of police time will be diverted into policing toxic gender culture wars, with an over emphasis on "pursuing hurtful words but not violent conduct".
They claim the new laws will also have a "chilling effect" on free speech and warn that campaigners supporting women's rights may find themselves facing accusations of transphobia. Helen Joyce, director of advocacy with human rights group Sex Matters, said: "The establishment of a new, dedicated hate crime unit at Police Scotland sends a sinister message to those who advocate for women's and children's rights.'

Police Scotland set up new unit to tackle 'hate crime' such as misgendering

The dedicated unit will go live in November as Humza Yousaf's hated hate crime laws – which could see people criminalised for what they think or what they say in their own homes – will finally come into effect in 2024

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

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JanesLittleGirl · 29/10/2023 11:08

Yeah, you're probably right.

SinnerBoy · 29/10/2023 11:06

JanesLittleGirl· Today 11:00

How much time will Police Scotland have to investigate all the other complaints once they have dealt with the 500 complaints about JKR that they will receive each week?

I think you've missed a zero off.

JanesLittleGirl · 29/10/2023 11:00

How much time will Police Scotland have to investigate all the other complaints once they have dealt with the 500 complaints about JKR that they will receive each week?

porridgecake · 29/10/2023 10:33

For years there has been no publicity or information about this ideology and changes in the law, in schools, the NHS, the work place, outside of MN.
Trying to tell family, friends and colleagues what is going on is often met with disbelief and the response that life is far too busy to pay any attention.
The mainstream media has, until very recently, ignored and failed to report on the issue and the main media channels are completely captured.
Employment tribunals and legal action have gone unreported and what is actually written in the newspapers doesn't really explain the background that we all understand.
Against a backdrop of spiralling costs, poverty, homelessness, domestic violence, no health care, the average person has no headspace for this apart from maybe hearing about the increasing number of mixed sex toilets everywhere.
The majority of people I talk to about this just think it is something I am obsessed with and it won't affect them. Many of the younger ones have swallowed it hook, line and sinker and think everyone should just be kind.
Only very, very slowly is the tide beginning to turn.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2023 10:20

It's also going to be a bit grim if you want your burglary investigated, or you've been mugged, but your local bobbies are all busy nicking the old dear over the road for mentioning reality.

Indeed.

duc748 · 29/10/2023 09:57

Wow! That is quite something. And the worst of it is, it all happens because 'good' men and women remained silent.

Froodwithatowel · 29/10/2023 09:28

It's also going to be a bit grim if you want your burglary investigated, or you've been mugged, but your local bobbies are all busy nicking the old dear over the road for mentioning reality.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 07:16

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,a-perfect-storm-police-cuts-and-hate-crime

View from MBM Policy.

This comes in in February.

I think Scottish women should seek suutable lawyers and keep a card with their details on them. Perhaps we also need a guide to what to do if arrested.

A perfect storm? Police cuts and hate crime

Coming into force next year, the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act could cause a potential deluge of complaints...

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,a-perfect-storm-police-cuts-and-hate-crime

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Froodwithatowel · 06/10/2023 09:11

RethinkingLife · 05/10/2023 22:56

if they can't be buggered to wake up and do something, then they deserve what is going to happen to them

Nobody deserves this. Dworkin guides us here.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. -- Andrea Dworkin

I agree. I want equality of access and rights for all, regardless of whether or not I agree with them, like them, or they are my mates. I spend my time banging my head against a brick wall here and getting increasingly angry and depressed because I think rights for all matter.

But I also think if you cannot be bothered to inform yourself and think, then yes, you have to own what you have let happened to you, because I'm losing all patience and resilience to keep trying to open the eyes of people stuck in awww bless (and it's no skin off my nose).

duc748 · 05/10/2023 23:27

Duffdee · 05/10/2023 19:44

Yeah I see it differently… I see it as you get what you vote for. If this is on offer at the ballot box and society chooses to vote for it then it’s going to get it.

What I don’t get though is how people can’t seem to understand that these policies they’re complaining about are inherently left wing and will be the consequences of voting left. Do people honestly go out to vote not know what they are voting for?

I'm not sure what policies you are talking about, but if you're talking about self-ID, more hate crime legislation, etc, I don't see anything 'left-wing' about them. However much they may be espoused by allegedly 'left-wing' parties.

RethinkingLife · 05/10/2023 22:56

if they can't be buggered to wake up and do something, then they deserve what is going to happen to them

Nobody deserves this. Dworkin guides us here.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. -- Andrea Dworkin

porridgecake · 05/10/2023 19:54

"Do people honestly go out to vote not know what they are voting for?"

Yes. I think a lot of the time they do.

Duffdee · 05/10/2023 19:44

Yeah I see it differently… I see it as you get what you vote for. If this is on offer at the ballot box and society chooses to vote for it then it’s going to get it.

What I don’t get though is how people can’t seem to understand that these policies they’re complaining about are inherently left wing and will be the consequences of voting left. Do people honestly go out to vote not know what they are voting for?

Froodwithatowel · 05/10/2023 19:30

There's many reasons why women aren't aware of this, haven't fully understood it, have been conned by the marketing or have been raised in a belief that men ARE entitled to women's bodies and nice women don't make a fuss about 'consent'.

Sadly, at this point however, if they can't be buggered to wake up and do something, then they deserve what is going to happen to them. I'm starting to think until most women encounter the 'fuck, this is ME TOO you're talking about' and experience personal humiliation, exclusion, harm, they won't engage their brains and by then it's going to be much, much harder to undo their subordination in law. The most depressing thing about the past ten years is realising how lazy and how sentimentally manipulable so many people are, many of them in positions of responsibility.

Duffdee · 05/10/2023 19:14

I think that if there were an election in Scotland today most female voters would vote for the SNP and they would win again. If the SNP didn’t win the election then I suspect it might be the Labour Party who would win and they would likely do pretty much the same thing.

I just don’t understand why feminists complain about this when most women and most feminists vote for these parties. SNP/Labour/Green/Lib Dem, they all want the same sort of policies that are in places like Canada already, if people don’t want this they should stop voting for it.

ArabeIIaScott · 02/10/2023 18:58

Absofuckinglutely.

What is the chilling effect going to be? Who is going to be targeted? How seriously are the police going to investigate every incident reported? If someone makes 450 reports a day, anonymously, are the police going to follow up each one? Will any one ever be pulled up for malicious false reports? I saw no mechanism for doing so in the police guidance.

I just can't emphasise it enough. THERE IS NO THRESHHOLD and NO CRITERIA. NO EVIDENCE required.

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Likeafurchin · 02/10/2023 18:51

ArabeIIaScott · 02/10/2023 13:54

'the definition of “harassment” is ill-described and includes a wholly subjective test of “causing the person alarm or distress”. Such nebulous scope invites vexatious and malicious complaints, prosecutions, convictions and potential incarceration.'

People can be jailed for hurty feels.

That's literally it. I don't know why this isn't front page news, I don't know why we're not out marching in the fucking streets.

I was just listening to a (completely unrelated) podcast about cults and one ex-cult member was explaining that the rules that members have to follow are often deliberately vague so that they can later be used however those in power decide they want to use them. Don't know why but this thread came to mind...

Froodwithatowel · 02/10/2023 18:34

I think you have to dash into Beira's, shout 'riddikulus' and claim sanctuary. Or something.

JanesLittleGirl · 02/10/2023 17:45

Can Scots claim political asylum in England?

Froodwithatowel · 02/10/2023 17:01

Excellent letter.

I'll add that it now takes immense courage for women to point out the law of their country, defend their rights being taken by stealth and corruption and stupidity on crack, and point out the very obvious hypocrisy and idiocy and 'won't work will it and a five year old could see it' to our highly paid representatives. Women using their own names and addresses are likely to be found guilty of..... wrong think.... and politically punished into silence.

I have never been more disgusted with every single politician of every single party, this is a fuck up beyond any I can think of in decades, and they have been asleep with their thumbs up their bums watching it, apart from a couple of women who have fought it every step of the way and paid a lot for doing so.

HelenaTranscart · 02/10/2023 16:45

Sadly you do have the right end of this shitty stick, and part of the problem is that while we're all outraged in our own living rooms, the TRAs are the ones marching in the streets. We need to talk to anyone who'll listen, write to our useless MSPs, MPs, and the newspapers and raise awareness. And of course vote these f*ckers out of government.

I've had a letter published in the Scottish press, feel free to share:

Deeply-flawed legislation

SOME legislation is well-intentioned but has unwanted and unintended consequences. And then there's Scottish Government legislation with blindingly obvious and disastrous consequences. I'm referring to the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act, and the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform (GRR).
The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act aims to protect vulnerable groups from prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or variations in sex characteristics. Sounds fair enough, except biological sex is not included. The GRR makes it easier for people to change their legal gender. Again, sounds all nice and fluffy until you realise it will give any male over the age of 16 access to female-only spaces if he self-identifies as a woman after just a few months.
Combine these two deeply-flawed pieces of legislation and it means that any woman who dares ask a man to leave a female toilet or changing room will be the one criminalised for hurting his feelings. And, despite facing deep cuts, Police Scotland must fully investigate all reported incidents of hate crime. Considering that in 2020-21, there were almost 7,000 reported hate crimes in Scotland, but more than 15,000 sexual crimes, it's good to know where the Government's priorities lie.
Perhaps the first task of Police Scotland's new unit should be to investigate the hate speech and misogyny in the Scottish Government.

ArabeIIaScott · 02/10/2023 13:55

And as I've also said before, perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick and am grossly overstating it! That would be FUCKING ACE! Please disabuse me of my errors!

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/10/2023 13:54

'the definition of “harassment” is ill-described and includes a wholly subjective test of “causing the person alarm or distress”. Such nebulous scope invites vexatious and malicious complaints, prosecutions, convictions and potential incarceration.'

People can be jailed for hurty feels.

That's literally it. I don't know why this isn't front page news, I don't know why we're not out marching in the fucking streets.

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/10/2023 13:52

Yes. As I've said before, it's hard to convey just how batshit the rules are. Or the lack of rules.

I've tried to explain it to people and they look at me like I'm mad.

I'm not surprised, tbh. You wouldn't credit a fully grown proper government bringing in legislation this fucking mad, and worse, you wouldn't credit it gaining Royal Assent/tacit nod from WM!

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littlbrowndog · 02/10/2023 13:36

The bar for prosecution is extremely low. No corroboration is required and the definition of “harassment” is ill-described and includes a wholly subjective test of “causing the person alarm or distress”. Such nebulous scope invites vexatious and malicious complaints, prosecutions, convictions and potential incarceration.

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