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Scottish women - speak up now while you still can.

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ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 12:40

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

'Police Scotland is setting up a dedicated hate crime unit ahead of Humza Yousaf's hugely controversial new laws coming into force early next year, it can be revealed.
The unit is expected to go live in November and training of the force's 16,400 officers gets underway in December in preparation for the Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act being implemented in early 2024. The legislation consolidates existing law and extends protection for vulnerable groups with a new offence of "stirring up hatred".
Under the Act, offences are considered "aggravated" – which could influence sentencing – if they involve prejudice on the basis of age, disability, race, religion, sexual orientation, transgender identity or variations in sex characteristics. Critics fear a disproportionate amount of police time will be diverted into policing toxic gender culture wars, with an over emphasis on "pursuing hurtful words but not violent conduct".
They claim the new laws will also have a "chilling effect" on free speech and warn that campaigners supporting women's rights may find themselves facing accusations of transphobia. Helen Joyce, director of advocacy with human rights group Sex Matters, said: "The establishment of a new, dedicated hate crime unit at Police Scotland sends a sinister message to those who advocate for women's and children's rights.'

Police Scotland set up new unit to tackle 'hate crime' such as misgendering

The dedicated unit will go live in November as Humza Yousaf's hated hate crime laws – which could see people criminalised for what they think or what they say in their own homes – will finally come into effect in 2024

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/police-scotland-set-up-new-30983808

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ArabeIIaScott · 30/10/2023 12:37

In my day, the ducking stools had cushions. And a drinks holder.

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Froodwithatowel · 30/10/2023 12:34

SinnerBoy · 30/10/2023 09:18

I've pointed out that such levity may not be wise, as certain persons may take it as proof that the madness is actually needed...

Capacity for language comprehension or humour being notable by their absence in this political movement.

WickedSerious · 30/10/2023 12:22

Just bring back ducking stools and have done with it.

SinnerBoy · 30/10/2023 09:18

I've pointed out that such levity may not be wise, as certain persons may take it as proof that the madness is actually needed...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/10/2023 09:00

GrinGrin

RethinkingLife · 30/10/2023 08:23

stealtheatingtunnocks · 29/10/2023 23:26

I’m looking forward to it. I bet we’ll have a rerr tear in there. Hundreds of terfs singing “ye cannae shove yer granny aff a bus” and “women’s rights are human rights” of an evening? I can do that. I think I’ll have to. Bagsie the top bunk though.

You'll have company.

twitter.com/black_phillipa/status/1031210896553635845

I write this from jail. My cellie is in for putting up a “humans are mammals” sticker. Big Val across the hall was caught in possession of a “People have opposable thumbs” decal, which finished off a family of five. Me? I’m here because of the pink penis caper. Hundreds died.

https://twitter.com/black_phillipa/status/1044664728491053056

For those confused what “Reducing people to their genitals” actually means: It’s a Terven spell which shrivels misogynists up into tiny yapping penises, which can then be drop-kicked into a well, fen, or cursed depthless lake. Deprived of it, we’ll only go back to souring milk.

https://twitter.com/black_phillipa/status/1044664728491053056

stealtheatingtunnocks · 29/10/2023 23:26

I’m looking forward to it. I bet we’ll have a rerr tear in there. Hundreds of terfs singing “ye cannae shove yer granny aff a bus” and “women’s rights are human rights” of an evening? I can do that. I think I’ll have to. Bagsie the top bunk though.

SinnerBoy · 29/10/2023 23:10

It seems to me, along with many of you here, that Scotland is beginning to turn into a dystopian police state. It beggars belief that, them being so short of Police that they can't attend burglaries and assaults, that they're going to divert resources to people who have disagreed with someone, or posted genuine facts and statistics online.

Are we going to see:

"Constable! Help! I've been mugged and beaten up!"

Sorry, we have priorities and yours is low, call and get a crime number. Can't you see we're dealing with this vicious psychopath? She asked a woman to put her willy away and stop wanking in Markses changing rooms, for God's sake!

RethinkingLife · 29/10/2023 21:16

If feels like the only permissible woman is one who acquiesces to men and male desire.

No replacement required to make women into Stepford Wives through our own need to comply.

TheABC · 29/10/2023 21:08

One thought that has occurred to me is malicious compliance. Because there's no yardstick and not enough police, you are going to be lucky to get everything logged, let alone prosecuted. Women might not be protected, but we can still complain based on gender, disability and sexual orientation.

The legislation is so bad, you know it's going to backfire - so it's needs to be done in spectacular manner.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/10/2023 17:10

If feels like the only permissible woman is one who acquiesces to men and male desire.

Absolutely this. The amount of men who tell me on social media, "oh no I'm not a misogynist at all, I agree with the other women who support "trans rights" (as trumping women's rights to privacy etc). If you are a man who only thinks women have a right to be heard about women's rights when you agree with them you are not a supporter of women's rights, or women.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 17:08

You feel like that because that's exactly what's happening, pressed.

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pressedinclay · 29/10/2023 17:03

Its so awful and depressing, I feel like women are being told that men have the right to abuse us, to transgress our boundaries and trample all over our rights and that it will be made a criminal offence to speak up about it, or campaign against it or even in many cases to not think the right thoughts! It is also telling that while men have their "sexual rights" protected under law women are given no such protection from misogynistic hate crimes!

If feels like the only permissible woman is one who acquiesces to men and male desire.

Froodwithatowel · 29/10/2023 14:23

Well that's the aim of the game. Burn the witches, make everyone else afraid, and hey presto you've controlled the populace.

Temporarily of course. A captive population tends to end up driven over the edge and after that it gets really ugly, but apparently it's only the old and stupid and will be dead soon that know anything about history.

pressedinclay · 29/10/2023 13:44

I am in Scotland and have a Gender critical twitter, I am worried that TRA's will be monitoring women like me and waiting for a time when they can report us for saying men cannot be women on our social media.

RethinkingLife · 29/10/2023 13:39

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 13:13

I'm not seeing the whisker, tbh.

Nothing but agreement here.

I don't know how you'll be able to live under this regime in Scotland.

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ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 13:13

I'm not seeing the whisker, tbh.

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WickedSerious · 29/10/2023 12:52

That's my understanding too,it's a whisker away from thought crime.

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ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:41

Wicked they can be charged with anything.

There is no threshold and no definition. It rests entirely on the perception of the person making the complaint - who does not have to be a witness or the alleged victim.

Edit: As I've said before, if I've got this wrong I would dearly love for someone to disabuse me of my misunderstanding.

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WickedSerious · 29/10/2023 12:37

I can just imagine someone being charged with 'curling their lip in the general direction of the victim'.

ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:37

National Secular Society

'...we remain concerned that the 'stirring up hatred' offences in this bill will have a chilling effect on freedom of expression in Scotland.
"These offences risk encouraging vexatious complaints, creating unnecessary bureaucracy and making ordinary Scots less willing to engage in public debate."'

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2021/03/hate-crime-bill-passes-and-blasphemy-law-abolished-in-scotland

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ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:36

duc748 · 29/10/2023 09:57

Wow! That is quite something. And the worst of it is, it all happens because 'good' men and women remained silent.

To be fair there was massive pushback on this. From police organisations, the press, religious bodies, etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821

Humza/Scotgov pushed the Bill through regardless.

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MSPs approve Scotland's controversial hate crime law

The controversial legislation consolidates existing law and extends protection for vulnerable groups.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821

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ArabeIIaScott · 29/10/2023 12:32

HidingBehindABigRock · 29/10/2023 11:19

What is the reach of this? If you are not in Scotland but have a conversation digitally with someone from Scotland which they consider a hate incident will this be logged against you? For example if you rolled your eyes in a work zoom call and it was perceived as hate against a characteristic.

From reading the Police Scotland guidance, they will liaise with other police forces outwith Scotland.

There will also be the new Online Safety Bill to consider.

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HidingBehindABigRock · 29/10/2023 11:19

What is the reach of this? If you are not in Scotland but have a conversation digitally with someone from Scotland which they consider a hate incident will this be logged against you? For example if you rolled your eyes in a work zoom call and it was perceived as hate against a characteristic.

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