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Telegraph: growing prejudice against transpeople

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Queenofscones · 21/09/2023 11:45

Very dodgy article in the Telegraph about the British Social Attitudes survey, a survey that has been held annually for the last 40 years. The questions asked was whether people were 'very prejudiced', 'a little prejudiced' or 'not prejudiced' against transgender people. According to the results, twice as many people declared themselves 'prejudiced' against transgender people as did in 2019. But the question is appalling — it assumes that having questions about the validity of a belief system that actively seeks to destroy women's rights is prejudice, when it's a rational response. The authors of the article seek to blame it all on JKR...

Link to the archived version here:

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Pudmyboy · 21/09/2023 17:29

IwantToRetire · 21/09/2023 16:47

What it indicates is the negative impact of TRA activists have done to an issue that used to be about a small % of the population that suffered from gender dysphoria.

The responses to the question are a response to the hate filled messaging of TRAs (and the MRAs who are piggy backing on it) and the wholesale onslaught of the underlying queer politics that put both women and children's safety at risk.

That's whole polls like this fail. They dont reflect the changed context.

Agree 100% with this!

Rudderneck · 21/09/2023 17:14

It suggest that there is a kind of problem with the conceptualization of the question. And that applies to other groups too, even if we might think prejudice is an appropriate word that we would use, it's clearly a value judgement about attitudes, rather than just recording the attitude.

MargotBamborough · 21/09/2023 17:05

What irresponsible reporting.

Why did the headline need to be about JK Rowling?

OK her initial tweet was three years ago, and they are commenting on changed attitudes over the same period. But they haven't explained how either of the tweets they have quoted are transphobic.

Perhaps they should have joined the dots and said, "People have become less supportive of the trans community since JK Rowling became the subject of a high profile witch hunt after tweeting in support of a woman who was fired for stating a biological fact."

Or perhaps they should have said, "The public have growing concerns about transgenderism in the wake of the Isla Bryson scandal."

How about they blame the people actually giving trans people a bad name rather than the woman who said that water is wet?

ArabeIIaScott · 21/09/2023 16:55

They're going to need to define 'transgender people'.

IwantToRetire · 21/09/2023 16:47

What it indicates is the negative impact of TRA activists have done to an issue that used to be about a small % of the population that suffered from gender dysphoria.

The responses to the question are a response to the hate filled messaging of TRAs (and the MRAs who are piggy backing on it) and the wholesale onslaught of the underlying queer politics that put both women and children's safety at risk.

That's whole polls like this fail. They dont reflect the changed context.

DarkDayforMN · 21/09/2023 12:36

If that’s the survey I think it is, it’s been used for decades and is used internationally, so changing the words of the questions to something more sensible would create all sorts of problems with comparing it to previous versions. But it really is an appallingly worded question. I think I would probably decline to answer.

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