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Telegraph: growing prejudice against transpeople

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Queenofscones · 21/09/2023 11:45

Very dodgy article in the Telegraph about the British Social Attitudes survey, a survey that has been held annually for the last 40 years. The questions asked was whether people were 'very prejudiced', 'a little prejudiced' or 'not prejudiced' against transgender people. According to the results, twice as many people declared themselves 'prejudiced' against transgender people as did in 2019. But the question is appalling — it assumes that having questions about the validity of a belief system that actively seeks to destroy women's rights is prejudice, when it's a rational response. The authors of the article seek to blame it all on JKR...

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MavisMcMinty · 01/11/2023 20:34

I‘m being pushed towards transrightsactivistphobia, gotta say. They did it to themselves, with their self-righteous indignation and hateful misogynistic conduct. Can’t wait for this ridiculous fad to be over.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/11/2023 20:33

I see Operation Let Them Speak continues with today's contributor predictably issuing threats. 🙄

JustSpeculation · 01/11/2023 20:23

AutumnCrow · 23/09/2023 17:17

What we're seeing is a growing 'prejudice' against queer theory.

And "no debate".

Brefugee · 01/11/2023 20:21

well, of course, the optics of what they do and what they say is partly responsible for the rise in people who are less tolerant of the TRAs (may be called as "transphobia" if that's what you want to call it)

So i am not shedding any tears for them. Operation Sunlight and Let Them Speak has been a success so far. Long may it last

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2023 20:15

They love a bit of DARVO.

Brefugee · 01/11/2023 20:14

I'm also amused though at the threats of "we know who you are because you use your real names" coming from TRAs who routinely wear masks, hoods and hats while chanting about killing terfs and claiming the RSOH

Brefugee · 01/11/2023 20:13

Glad MN took the threat to dox people seriously when i reported it.

MargotBamborough · 01/11/2023 20:05

I do. It's Margot Bamborough, obviously.

Complete coincidence that Margot Bamborough also happens to be the name of a character in one of my favourite transphobic books.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2023 20:02
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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 01/11/2023 20:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2023 19:55

Who uses their real name as their mumsnet name?

I do!

Mr R O G Critic

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2023 19:55

Who uses their real name as their mumsnet name?

MargotBamborough · 01/11/2023 19:48

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Even if someone has used their real name on here, allowing you to "track them down", what exactly do you plan to do with that information?

Brefugee · 01/11/2023 19:44

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Threatening to dox people? that isn't the right side of history, mate.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2023 19:40

Nice of someone to pop up to demonstrate live why people might be getting tired of the tantrums and self obsession of trans rights activists.

Froodwithatowel · 01/11/2023 19:33

If prejudice is pointing out other people's needs and rights matter too, then <shrug>

Yes, people are losing patience. They are seeing through the marketing. They have pattern recognition.

Wailing that they're being phobic is not going to help that situation in any way. Changing the poor behaviour and respecting other people might.

Waitwhat23 · 01/11/2023 19:31

Did they throw a 'amirite?!' into the 'y'all' mix too?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/11/2023 19:27

Yes, I am the Queen of the Babylonian underworld. You can track me down but I may smite you. Half term getting boring is it, "y'all"? Theythemmayhem sounds like "you don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps". Irredeemably naff.

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Thanks for dropping by Gerald,enjoy the rest of your evening.

Rainbowshit · 01/11/2023 19:25

Yet we're women and you're not no matter how much you try. Who's laughing now?!🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭

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Froodwithatowel · 23/09/2023 20:31

PorcelinaV · 23/09/2023 19:25

It was something of a shock to me to realise so many people valued women at zero, or very close to it, but the mathematics are inescapable.

What I suspect is happening, is that women's distress is being "weighted to zero", because if you assume the "trans rights" perspective then women's objections can only be misguided, exaggerated, or just a blatant violation of human rights. So a woman’s unreasonable distress isn't given weight.

For the most part, they aren't even going to get so far as to "balance rights" or looking at "overall wellbeing".

There is a powerful dehumanisation aspect.

Someone under the TQ+ umbrella being distressed is a serious problem requiring empathy, support and care, and immediate alleviation of distress.

A woman being distressed needs to shut up, get over it, abandon her faith and culture, have no feelings, see and think what she's told, or die in a grease fire.

The massive disrespect for women and mother figures in particular is hard to miss in terms of the pathology.

MargotBamborough · 23/09/2023 19:29

PorcelinaV · 23/09/2023 19:25

It was something of a shock to me to realise so many people valued women at zero, or very close to it, but the mathematics are inescapable.

What I suspect is happening, is that women's distress is being "weighted to zero", because if you assume the "trans rights" perspective then women's objections can only be misguided, exaggerated, or just a blatant violation of human rights. So a woman’s unreasonable distress isn't given weight.

For the most part, they aren't even going to get so far as to "balance rights" or looking at "overall wellbeing".

Didn't the Bristol City Council consultation response more or less admit as much?

"There were objections from several groups, mainly women and ethnic minorities, but we did not take them into consideration as they are clearly unreasonable."

PorcelinaV · 23/09/2023 19:25

It was something of a shock to me to realise so many people valued women at zero, or very close to it, but the mathematics are inescapable.

What I suspect is happening, is that women's distress is being "weighted to zero", because if you assume the "trans rights" perspective then women's objections can only be misguided, exaggerated, or just a blatant violation of human rights. So a woman’s unreasonable distress isn't given weight.

For the most part, they aren't even going to get so far as to "balance rights" or looking at "overall wellbeing".

NecessaryScene · 23/09/2023 18:51

Self ID doesn't result in a greater good to society in general.

But given that people clearly conclude that it does, the conclusion must be that they must be weighting people in society differently.

Societal good = Sum over population [ (Good to person i) times (Weighting of person i) ]

And then all you have to do is set the weighting for women to somewhere near zero, and the weighted societal good works out in favour of Self ID.

It was something of a shock to me to realise so many people valued women at zero, or very close to it, but the mathematics are inescapable.

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