Tragic suicide

Ghoul.

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Here's one of the "gender criticals" maliciously harassing a grieving mother who lost her trans child to suicide. I hope the police throw the book at them.

LGBT LIVES MATTER

It's not like they care about this poor child and their family when they're gleefully trying to use them to castigate people on a forum that has nothing to do with X.

Sorry I meant to add, please don't confuse us with the dregs of Twitter

Of course they are going to keep doing that - honesty, humanity and respect be damned - because lies are all they’ve got. There’s no point in requesting basic decency from someone who’s founded their entire worldview on a lie, when the lie is crumbling all around them.

That's true, there are plenty of male GCAs too, including far-right men in the US.

Sorry I meant to add, please don't confuse us with the dregs of Twitter

It's very sad that another child has recently died and I imagine everyone on here (that is aware) has nothing but empathy and sympathy for the mother and the family.

I saw the original post by the mother and I agree there was some blunt, unkind remarks but from what I saw they came from males situated in the US. I haven't seen any of the high profile GC Twitter users comment nor has it been mentioned on here.

If people are going to make arguments about health treatments based on references to suicide then I'm afraid suicide is going to be discussed.

This case is in the news for exactly that reason.

Absolutely.

I agree with what's being said here :(

As seen in today's court case, there is no way that any women are permitted to talk about crucial issues at all without being accused of being in the wrong tone, insensitive and inappropriate.

It's nothing more than an attempt to silence the sinners and hide the many, many issues with this faith.

Stephannee, do you mean that naming this young person and their parents here is doxxing and harassment?

I don't agree, if so. It's discussion of whether, given this young person died post-transitioning, earlier transition is the answer.

There was a post-transition suicide fairly near us a few years back. Again, it's hard to know whether a long wait was a contributing factor, or an incorrect level of medication, or simply the realization that nothing makes one actually change sex.

I am unwilling to do that given the overall anti-trans tone of the board. The fact this thread exists may be insensitive and inappropriate IMO.

That sounds absolutely terrible. Please could you share your source so that we can all condemn it?

What do they mean by "are indeed transgender"? Are they claiming that these young people were literally born in the wrong body? Or is there something else that means that it's appropriate to say that they "are indeed transgender"?

A mother who recently lost a trans child to suicide has apparently been doxxed and harassed on social media by gender critical people and the police are apparently being involved.

What trans-activists will try to argue from this:

https://transequality.org/blog/get-the-facts-the-truth-about-transition-related-care-for-transgender-youth

"This means that the overwhelming majority of young people who take medications that delay the onset of puberty are indeed transgender"

Let me take a guess...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(22)00254-1/fulltext

"720 people were included, of whom 220 (31%) were assigned male at birth and 500 (69%) were assigned female at birth. At the start of GnRHa treatment, the median age was 14·1 (IQR 13·0–16·3) years for people assigned male at birth and 16·0 (14·1–16·9) years for people assigned female at birth. Median age at end of data collection was 20·2 (17·9–24·8) years for people assigned male at birth and 19·2 (17·8–22·0) years for those assigned female at birth. 704 (98%) people who had started gender-affirming medical treatment in adolescence continued to use gender-affirming hormones at follow-up."

You are confusing this with evidence of a "better outcome"?

If a 16 year old girl is still on drugs 4 years later, it really doesn't tell us that much.

I worry very much, Helleofabore, that years down the line, about the same number of people from this hugely expanded cohort will be happy with their transition as from the earlier tiny group. Meanwhile, if the overall transitioner numbers have risen fourfold (is it around that?), they must have been sweeping up kids who previously would have coped with their ordinary bodies. So we could see >75% regret rates.

God, what a mess. Poor kids.

I really expect we will be eternally disappointed there …. I suspect it will not be a long term study and even if it is a long term study it will not include the hugely significant female adolescent cohort because they won’t be included in ‘long term’ studies yet so relevance can be also questioned considering the pivot in affirming only treatment has also been recent.

But let’s see.

Sorry, I meant the ones Mishy mentioned.

Which studies? The ones that Mishy claims or the one long term one I mentioned and the one that had to retract its conclusion as being falsely asserted (that one was the Branstrom and Pachankis one).

As a former clinical researcher I would be very interested to read those studies. I look forward to checking back for the links later.

Let’s be also very clear. Posting “That 98% of people who transition have a better outcome” on this particular thread is gross misinformation UNLESS it is backed up with robust peer reviewed evidence. And it would show exactly what motivates such a person to post this. Ie. Not movtivated by any care for a trans person.

Let’s wait for those studies shall we? I happen to know of at least one long term study showing the very opposite. And, of course, one of the only other ones had to be corrected to say there was no evidence at all for any ‘improvement’.

Plus plenty of anecdotal evidence of trans people stating that they were trapped in a spiral of brief euphoria leading up to, while getting the procedure and after a procedure and then starting that cycle again to up the euphoria again. Until they realise that nothing they do will change the material reality of their lives. Then it causes even greater fragility in their mental health.

But sure Mishy, do produce the evidence! It would be the first time ever that you did…