Need to vent! It’s either a baby boy or a baby girl!

How infuriating.

This has made me think about the new baby greetings cards which often have ‘Baby Boy!’ or ‘Baby Girl!’ on the front. How long till those disappear I wonder?

‘Congratulations on your BAMAB!’ instead.

Is breast cancer that men can get as well as women being called chest cancer or human cancer? Why the deletion of breast milk when it’s from the breast?

As a hormonal pregnant woman right now, I really appreciate this post. I already feel I’ve lost control of my body, my choices are for the baby - I’m often made to feel like an incubator whether it’s meant or not especially suffering with HG. To then lose my words to describe this experience, is further insult to injury. Thank you x

PS. I do.. I have .. and it costs me.. but I do it anyway...

You wrote.. "The lecturer is now talking about how professionals cannot assign a sex or gender to an infant in any written documentation or forms"..

I do not believe that to be true.. if it is.. It should be challenged. Such drastic changes should be approved by the College of Midwifes and College of Obstetricians (not full names. Sorry.. being lazy)

Much of what you describe will do harm to mothers and babies, it is without evidence and does not benefit the users of the services you aim to provide.

If you and everyone else in the 'room' do not vote with your feet and speak the truth, women will only see and hear these words and believe them to be the truth. They will look around them, looking for others who feel confused by their feelings and will not find tnem because this language is taking over the birthing world on instagram. These women will retreat into their homes and feel isolated.

I am a birth and post natal doula.. Women need to be able to speak... There are other trainings out there.. do not be silenced because it will have a direct impact on other women and their babies.

I see many people in the birth sphere falling over themselves changing their language after years of stating that language, consent, empowerment, choice in pregnancy and birth is important and this is how we reduand ce harm to women and their babies.. And yet.. these changes are being made.. without evidence that the intervention is without harm.

Good birthing education preaches autonomy... if we cannot grant mothers autonomy around the language they use about themselves and their babies.. we cannot claim to have their interests at heart. We are encouraged to empower them, to direct them towards evidence, to understand the options available to them.. not to educate them, to take decisions away from tnem..

This part of the training sounds coercive and oppressive.. step away... speak out.. do no harm.

You need to see my maternity notes from St. Mary's hospital. Pregnant persons, chest feeding.

I noticed asda now has spaces for parents with young children or "expectant parents".
I'm sure those spaces will be helpful for expectant dads..

Also OP you have to ask yourself if there is any value at all to this training apart from being able to advertise a qualification for purposes of your future employment. Can you trust ANY of the information being taught under these circumstances?

"Pockets of NHS" that should read

Once I have my qualification I will work on a self-employed basis so although I’m going through the motions with regards to what we “should” be saying/doing for the sake of my coursework and exams, I won’t be doing it when it actually come to my work unless a woman actually asks me to (which I’m pretty sure they won’t).

The problem is your clients won't know you have done a course with this rubbish training and yet they may be impressed with the qualification and inclined to choose you on the basis of (respected?) credentials. Others doing the training may suck it up and clients choosing them will perhaps be somewhat put off once they are exposed to all this. Nearly all new mothers (with the exception of Freddy McConnell and other cult members) WANT to be called MOTHER. It is a social role many have longed for and value.
Why should their postnatal joy (if they are feeling it, I recognise not all do) be ruined by some officious person whose services THEY HAVE PAID FOR "educating" them?

I understand you just want to obtain the qualification and not cause trouble, but this really needs calling out.

If people with this qualification are coming into NHS hospitals and dictating language that midwives themselves are not using it's simply not on. Obviously, unfortunately, there are pockets of women where midwives are also using this sort of language but I believe most are resisting for now.

If babies are assigned male or female at birth then who does the assigning and based on what criteria? Because of we're waiting for the infant to be old enough to decide then we shouldn't be assigning them as anything surely. And if it's medical professionals doing it then it needs to be based on biological sex. Because what's to stop a parent saying they want their baby assigned as female despite the baby having a penis? Would they allow that? Because then the child would miss out on essential healthcare in the newborn checks. And if it is the HCP based on biological sex then why can't you use biologically male/female and the acronyms BM and BF?

Women being removed and it’s wrong. Is this happening with men and their medical issues?

I left a job where they wanted us to use the term chest feeding so we didn't offend anyone who didn't have breasts and wanted to feed.

I would ask for my money back.

Who on earth are you going to be working for that requires this training (I use that word loosely.)
If it's the NHS then you should be doing their training.

If you think this is batshit, have a look at the latest from the GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL!!

As others have said, you are the customer here and like any business this trainer really should listen to your feedback. Customer satisfaction and quality principles!

I wouldn’t be able to cope with hearing that each time I logged on so would be asking for a refund. Meantime I would carry on asking questions and why, why, why, why, why for each nonsense answer, make the trainer perhaps engage and actually think for a minute!

Is this some form of antenatal educator training? It's not NCT is it?