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Who has most disappointed you?

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Calistano · 18/09/2023 14:11

I'd say Russell T Davies when he had his drunken rant. I get his concern that lgbt is being fractured. But his absent concern for Women and their rights was palpable. I honestly thought he had more sense.

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catscatscurrantscurrants · 18/09/2023 19:37

So many that it would start to resemble Arya Stark's hit list. Like a PP, it is profoundly sad, seeing the people you thought were clear-eyed and brave, cringing away from the truth and mouthing the received 'wisdom' to avoid cancellation.

ElizaMulvil · 18/09/2023 19:28

EarringsandLipstick · 18/09/2023 18:28

On the other side, I've been surprised by some news outlets, in a good way. The Sunday Independent, which can be tabloidesque in the extreme has written intelligently & consistently on the issue, and importantly given a platform to those (like David Quinn) whose opinions I would generally not agree with, but who I still think have the right to be heard, without being screamed manically at, in the post-Catholic Ireland we've become.

Yes, and the Morning Star - firmly for women's rights. and criticising TWAW ideology as reactionary. Lots to say about women's oppression and protecting our rights v the role TWAW ideology plays in dividing Workers.

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 19:28

BettyFilous · 18/09/2023 19:24

Don’t forget Amnesty International. Wankers.

Yes. And Liberty.

Although given what I've since discovered about their historic involvement with PIE, I'm no longer surprised.

Oxfam.

Rudderneck · 18/09/2023 19:28

Carouselfish · 18/09/2023 18:56

Eddie Izzard. Thought he was lovelyand no nonsense being a man who liked wearing 'women's' fashion and a good actor.

Bloody hell, Margaret Atwood?!!!

I think this has revealed something that was rather lost.

You always have to ask - why does this guy want to wear women's fashion?

In some cases, you get edgy men, often in entertainment, and basically they are looking to do something unusual and get attention. Not many carry on with it past their 20's they usually don't care enough.

But generally, with a guy like EI, so often wearing women's clothes, there is a reason he likes them. It's not that somehow he is just drawn to them aesthetically. Men who are drawn to women's clothes that way like to see them on women, because then the clothes fit properly and look good.

BeverlyBrook · 18/09/2023 19:27

Basically Germaine Greer was correct. She is still correct. Everyone will eventually catch up with her.
WAKE UP PEOPLE

BettyFilous · 18/09/2023 19:24

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 16:09

Oh. Also:

the UN.

Don’t forget Amnesty International. Wankers.

IcakethereforeIam · 18/09/2023 19:21

Mary Beard actually admits in the Times article upthread that she doesn't speak out on gender because she's 'a coward'. I suspect that means she's probably tending towards GC because I don't think we're anything to be frightened of. I don't blame her really for wanting to sit this one out. But it's a pretty damning indictment on GI and its supporters, for all that it's unsaid.

Lilibert456 · 18/09/2023 19:21

Hindsight is a wonderful thing
Not prepared to go into my failings, but hope I have learned from them.

Boiledbeetle · 18/09/2023 19:20

Waitwhat23 · 18/09/2023 19:19

Not only have I just found it but I had actually posted on it multiple times! I'm a numpty!

To be fair we had other things on our mind over those weeks.

80skid · 18/09/2023 19:19

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 16:07

The NHS.
The Judiciary.
Rape Crisis.
Women's Aid.
The MoJ.
The DoE.
EHRC.
Every single fucking politician in the Scottish Parliament bar a very few.
Every single Labour Party MP.
Every single Green Party MP bar a very few.
The Guardian.
The BBC.
Academia in general.
Most writers, particularly Stephen King the craven fucking arsehole.
Most artists.
Most journalists.
Most musicians.
Most comedians.

This is so depressingly accurate

Waitwhat23 · 18/09/2023 19:19

Boiledbeetle · 18/09/2023 19:09

There was a thread, I think the main name that got mentioned was IamSarah (there may even have been a poem that referenced the fact in a round about sort of way,)

Not only have I just found it but I had actually posted on it multiple times! I'm a numpty!

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/09/2023 19:18

Why, @Lilibert456 ?

Cancelledcurio · 18/09/2023 19:15

oh Women's Aid and Rape Crisis. Absolute shame on them and total love and strength to those women defiantly striving to keep same sex provisions for female survivors of male violence.

Lilibert456 · 18/09/2023 19:14

Myself.

BettyFilous · 18/09/2023 19:13

Keir Starmer. As a former Director of Public Prosecutions who did some good work on improving rape prosecution rates and dispelling rape myths at trials, he will be under no illusions about how dangerous and cunning predatory men can be. The fact he pretends not to be able to join the dots means he’s guilty of the worst kind of cowardice. Reading recent articles about how ambitious he is and will do anything to win, it disgusts me that he’s prepared to endanger women and children to prevail. Words can’t adequately convey my utter contempt for him.

BerfyTigot · 18/09/2023 19:12

My husband. He just doesn't get it. 😭Even my (previously woke) teenage son gets it.

Cancelledcurio · 18/09/2023 19:11

The Trade Unions, ( 30 years of subs and activism for all this to go to women's rights being shafted . What a joke! How many women members feel the same and are trapped because we have no where to go and can't risk being without cover in care/service/low paid work? This totally fills me with rage ).
The TUC (ditto)
Labour Party ( yep, I know!)
Most politicians
David Tennant ( but then he's a luvvie male so why am I shocked. His acting has got shite since as well or is he over exposed. Him and his nepo family.
Not disappointed in most actors or musicians as they are a shallow lot
Sturgeon( politically was never my thing but thought she was smarter than that.
Ed Miliband
The NHS
Social Work England and Scotland

Kathy Burke
Education Dept
Stephen King
Those two off IT crowd
That guy out of Black Books
Margaret Atwood
My brother
People I thought were friends who are now weirdly into giving children puberty blockers.

Cherrylily7 · 18/09/2023 19:11

The Guardian and the NHS without a doubt
Followed by Oxfam

Boiledbeetle · 18/09/2023 19:09

Waitwhat23 · 18/09/2023 16:28

Conversely, did we do a FWR Women of the Year awards at the end of last year? I don't remember it happening, though I was so incandescent with rage at the GRR Bill, I may have missed it.

There was a thread, I think the main name that got mentioned was IamSarah (there may even have been a poem that referenced the fact in a round about sort of way,)

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 19:09

SlippinJanie · 18/09/2023 18:55

My oldest friend. She thinks I've become right wing. It breaks my heart.

'become right wing'.

Such an odd idea, that all these women who are lifelong feminists/leftwingers would suddenly wake up and decide that no, the ideals and morals they've cleaved to all their bloody life are just a bit dull now, so we're going to go all in on the fascism, just for shits and giggles.

It is dizzy making.

Delphinium20 · 18/09/2023 19:04

@MargotBamborough I agree 100% with your assessment of Margaret Atwood and that is PRECISELY why she's disappointed me.

I can be angry at the institutions and people who should know better, but the women who shaped and awoke my feminism who now cravenly stay silent have truly broken my heart.

Gloria Steinem-you could have said something too.

Sadly, Andrea Dworkin and Adrienne Rich passed away before trans was a thing, so I don't know if I'd have had to have my heart broken twice more.

Boiledbeetle · 18/09/2023 19:04

ArabeIIaScott · 18/09/2023 16:07

The NHS.
The Judiciary.
Rape Crisis.
Women's Aid.
The MoJ.
The DoE.
EHRC.
Every single fucking politician in the Scottish Parliament bar a very few.
Every single Labour Party MP.
Every single Green Party MP bar a very few.
The Guardian.
The BBC.
Academia in general.
Most writers, particularly Stephen King the craven fucking arsehole.
Most artists.
Most journalists.
Most musicians.
Most comedians.

👆 what she said!

popebishop · 18/09/2023 19:02

MargotBamborough · 18/09/2023 18:53

Surely, surely she must understand that rare chromosomal abnormalities are not at all what is under discussion in this debate?

Depressingly she comes across as quite muddled about it, but at least - if you read to the end - open to engaging about it.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 18/09/2023 18:57

Everyone who blindly goes along with the nonsensical batshit that is gender identity ideology.

Every head teacher who allows external companies who know fuck all about child development, education, or safeguarding to come in and preach utter bollocks to children about gender unicorns etc.

The cowards with power who fucking know it's wrong but refuse to do anything.

Carouselfish · 18/09/2023 18:56

Eddie Izzard. Thought he was lovelyand no nonsense being a man who liked wearing 'women's' fashion and a good actor.

Bloody hell, Margaret Atwood?!!!