Who has most disappointed you?

But it's a pretty damning indictment on GI and its supporters, for all that it's unsaid.

Metaphorically, "Agree that I'm the poor, vulnerable, defenceless victim in all of this or else I'll punch you in the face and have you destroyed."

OP'S question is who has disappointed me/us. I'm reading that as the 21st century PR meaning of 'disappointed'. You know, when a politician says they're 'disappointed' that they weren't re-elected, actually meaning they're incandescent with rage and frothing at the mouth. That sort of disappointment.

Everything and everybody mentioned so far.

But the NHS probably scares me more than the others. We never know when we might need healthcare and often can't do much to avoid needing it. So staying home won't work. The story today about the millions the NHS is planning to spend on EDI with staff on huge salaries while people are on long waiting lists scares me. Clinical staff being told not to ask where people are from, which may be clinically relevant, being told to pretend they don't know what sex we are, being instructed to use utterly dehumanising language about us - in short, knowing I can't trust or believe people who may hold my life in their hands. That terrifies me.

And for what?

Such a depressingly loooong list. Sadly I agree with you. So disappointing.

I think this goes for a lot of these men, that I just posted on another thread:

I don't think he's a true believer, he just thinks women should move over. That probably goes for a lot of these men. They're not batshit, just sexist and misogynistic.

Ah, thanks, Cancelledcurio.

I didn't know if you meant him, Bill Bailey or one of the more minor characters. That's a shame about Dylan; all of these edgy comedians who don't even question the stinking obvious now.

I trust that he refuses to accept any royalties from re-runs, if he despises the man who wrote it?

Yes they are totalitarian arseholes.

Yes i remember his Guardian football column which to me smacks of "we neeeeeeeeed to give this man a column, what shall we give him?"

Hope Not Hate
Started out as a great campaign against the far right and extremists. I have leafleted for them in the past . They can go f themselves now as they now include women gathering to talk about their rights extremist trans phobes and not the men in black masks protesting said women aggressively. HNH can f off.

Caroline Lucas

I adored the guardian as a young 20 something. Bought it every Saturday. Even used the dating site.

It disappoints me daily

I'd forgotten that he had a column but I don't remember reading it.

Makes so much more sense now.

but I just find anyone who is seriously prepared to pretend that they think some men are women and some women are men unbelievably disappointing. If any of them could explain why they believe what they say they believe I'd be able to have some respect for them

but they never can, of course

This too. I don't have any respect for anyone who believes it.

@ElizaMulvil yes to the Morning Star!

Women's charities, women's rape organisations, women's health organisations.

Most celebs are a bit thick, attention seeking and self obsessed so I don't have high expectations.

saw that she and Jo Phoenix are going to have a chat in person sometime soon

@FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper
Dylan Moran which is really disappointing as found him hilarious and fancied the arse of him for years. Nasty about Glinner too. He's got shite as he has got woke as well.

Agree. My older son is obsessed with charity shops and I reluctantly went in an Oxfam one a few days ago.

Way back in the day my sister used to work in the overseas aid sector and what was revealed subsequently about sexual abuse of vulnerable people came as little surprise to her (and me as she used to rant about it- that and Save the Children). Way before stuff came to light.

Oxfam. Their appalling treatment of JKR. I used to support them. No more.

but I just find anyone who is seriously prepared to pretend that they think some men are women and some women are men unbelievably disappointing. If any of them could explain why they believe what they say they believe I'd be able to have some respect for them

but they never can, of course

for me it's the BBC

although I think they were actually kind of shit all along and this just made me see it

but I always thought it was a broadly 'right thinking' (ho ho, yes, I know thinking that there was such a thing as 'right thinking' made me a moron) organisation and I was aligned with them

Watching MNHQ twist and turn and tie themselves in knots to try to shut the nasty women up during 2016-2018 or so was quite informative too

Honourable mention for (Labour) Professor Lord Winston re 'mutilation' of bodies- ' you can't change sex - it's in every cell of your body'. - 'people are afraid to say these things.'

Which guy out of Black Books, by the way?

I look at people like Alice Roberts and Dara O'Briain and Robin Ince in particular, all the smug "Ooh look at me, what a clever rational person I am, I believe in science, you don't get much past me" crowd, and I utterly despise them.

Their whole careers have been based on their supposed rational, strictly evidence-based perspective, with people expressing religious views slapped down as foolish and not very bright.

Now they're every bit as ardent as those religious people whose views they despise - it's just a different religion.

They've reduced their intellectual careers to the level of The Masked Singer, where they tell you 'facts' and you have to guess which of them is true and which is a lie.

Everyone already mentioned, plus the Girl Guides and the Quakers.

Oh I forgot one.

The WI.

I was thinking about joining, then read that they now admit men. Not the WI anymore then.