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LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 19:44

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 19:11

Still floors me every time, Helle.

It's the disconnect.

We all saw the footage, the fear on those women's faces, the men throwing barriers about, punching women in the face. The chaotic rawness of a terrifying situation - a small number of women encircled by a hyped-up mob, throwing stuff, screaming, chanting, and attacking.

That anyone could suggest this is 'heartwarming' is absolutely beyond fucking belief.

Can we talk about the cis Australian woman who was thrown to the ground when she objected to KJK's hate?

Or do women's views only matter when they agree with the "gender critical" side?

LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 19:43

RoseslnTheHospital · 15/09/2023 17:41

How is KJK deciding, for her own safety, not to go to NZ the same as NZ saying no to homophobia and transphobia??

You seem pleased @LizaBizza that women are not safe in NZ if they dare to hold and speak opinions that differ from those in charge of policing.

Women in NZ clearly don't want KJK or her hateful views.

MavisMcMinty · 15/09/2023 19:17

They have to see us as Nazis, or they can’t justify the violence and hatred. Most (even all?) of the culprits aren’t even trans themselves, just enthusiastic activists, some of them “non-binary”.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 19:11

Still floors me every time, Helle.

It's the disconnect.

We all saw the footage, the fear on those women's faces, the men throwing barriers about, punching women in the face. The chaotic rawness of a terrifying situation - a small number of women encircled by a hyped-up mob, throwing stuff, screaming, chanting, and attacking.

That anyone could suggest this is 'heartwarming' is absolutely beyond fucking belief.

Helleofabore · 15/09/2023 19:06

The reality is that whenever someone like Bizza speaks, people see their fucked up righteousness completely lacks logic, empathy or even knowledge.

Froodwithatowel · 15/09/2023 18:39

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 18:29

You think that an elderly woman having her skull fractured is 'heartwarming'?

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UK, you can aspire to battering your women too! And enforcing heterosexuality on your lesbians!

Good grief, the batshit.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 18:30

mirax · 15/09/2023 18:25

NZ is a very provincial place and a thought leader in exactly zero fields.

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Worst rates of dv in the world.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 18:29

LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 17:39

Heartwarming to see NZ strongly saying no to homophobia and transphobia.

The UK is far behind, but it will get there.

You think that an elderly woman having her skull fractured is 'heartwarming'?

mirax · 15/09/2023 18:25

LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 17:39

Heartwarming to see NZ strongly saying no to homophobia and transphobia.

The UK is far behind, but it will get there.

NZ is a very provincial place and a thought leader in exactly zero fields.

YouJustDoYou · 15/09/2023 18:24

LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 17:39

Heartwarming to see NZ strongly saying no to homophobia and transphobia.

The UK is far behind, but it will get there.

I would say they are saying a wholehearted "go ahead!" to violence against women aka adult human females. Which the activists, as evidenced on youtube etc, eagerly engaged in.

Helleofabore · 15/09/2023 18:20

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 15/09/2023 18:01

You had to ignore so much to get to that, didn't you?

What a fool!

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I suspect that Bizza has a long history of dismissing violence against women. Maybe even on this very board, who knows.....

VaddaABeetch · 15/09/2023 18:13

That Rona has a very male stance…I’ve never seen a woman stand like that.

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 15/09/2023 18:01

LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 17:39

Heartwarming to see NZ strongly saying no to homophobia and transphobia.

The UK is far behind, but it will get there.

You had to ignore so much to get to that, didn't you?

What a fool!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/09/2023 17:46

*phrase!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/09/2023 17:45

LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 17:39

Heartwarming to see NZ strongly saying no to homophobia and transphobia.

The UK is far behind, but it will get there.

Goodness me. I saw on another thread a glorious thread I hoped to re-use, and here is an opportunity. Some people have two brain cells that are both fighting for third place.

MavisMcMinty · 15/09/2023 17:43

LizaBizza is not on the side of women. Women are somehow LizaBizza’s enemy, who knows why. Maybe women have said “NO!” to LizaBizza and LizaBizza really hates that.

RoseslnTheHospital · 15/09/2023 17:41

How is KJK deciding, for her own safety, not to go to NZ the same as NZ saying no to homophobia and transphobia??

You seem pleased @LizaBizza that women are not safe in NZ if they dare to hold and speak opinions that differ from those in charge of policing.

LizaBizza · 15/09/2023 17:39

Heartwarming to see NZ strongly saying no to homophobia and transphobia.

The UK is far behind, but it will get there.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 17:17

'In my opinion, what you are looking at is the NZ Police actively conspiring with the rainbow community, and looking the other way when they beat the pulp out of women and the elderly, and congratulating themselves for doing so after the fact.'

That actually makes me feel sick.

NZ women, I'm so very, very sorry.

ArabeIIaScott · 15/09/2023 17:12

Helleofabore · 15/09/2023 11:06

The fact that they knew and understood and yet didn't protect NZ women in that park shows just how poor the NZ Police are able to judge a volatile situation and act to provide women with safety.

It is a horrendous threat that now hangs over any women's group who wishes to meet publicly at a rally in New Zealand.

'didn't protect' imo is a huge understatement.

They knew what would happen.

They knowingly and deliberately abandoned women to a frenzied mob of violent men.

The police are complicit.

dimorphism · 15/09/2023 16:47

Wait, what?

So the biological male who was in charge of / involved with policing the event was also part of the counter protest i.e. the people threatening and committing violence against women (including fracturing a 70 year old woman's skull)?

If this is true, then it's levels of anti-woman action I'd expect from police in Afghanistan or Iran but not NZ. Well, not before now.

She's absolutely right not to go back. She could be killed. It was honestly quite obvious from the event that the policing was completely inadequate. Now we see that was probably deliberate. They didn't care if women got hurt.

Compare and contrast the policing at Belfast LWS. Honestly someone should do a video edit of the policing there and the policing in NZ to fully show the shame and misogyny of New Zealand. It's not bloody rocket science. They're deliberately doing things that are likely to result in harm to women.

I hope the woman whose skull was fractured sues.

DewinDwl · 15/09/2023 16:38

Wow. So the security cock up was deliberate.

Clymene · 15/09/2023 16:16

New Zealand is not a safe country for women

RavingStone · 15/09/2023 16:02

Fucking hell.
Poor women of New Zealand.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 15/09/2023 15:41

I'm relieved.

I saw the livestream and I thought I was going to witness a woman being lynched.

She could go as a giant fuck you, but, why? That paperwork is powerful - the police would have allowed a lynching.