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Graham Linehan’s Book

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PretzelKnot · 14/09/2023 05:17

Tough Crowd, due out 12 October. I’m delighted to see this. He is such a good writer and has sacrificed so much in defence of women’s rights and reality itself. Hope it’s a smash hit.

https://x.com/glinner/status/1702078826543448552?s=61&t=NHDSDk1MaF98_GOtcuLi0Q

https://x.com/glinner/status/1702078826543448552?s=61&t=NHDSDk1MaF98_GOtcuLi0Q

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JenifaTaughtMe · 03/10/2023 12:51

Abhannmor · 03/10/2023 11:22

I imagine it would be higher if it weren't for people like myself who won't deal with Amazon. Eye Books are lovely to deal with though.

Wouldn't that theory work for all the books on Amazon equally?

MaryLivingOnDreamsAndCustardCreams · 03/10/2023 12:49

🤞

MavisMcMinty · 03/10/2023 11:43

Just got this from google:

For a traditional publisher to think of a nonfiction book as a success, it has to sell more like 10,000 copies over its lifetime.

My order from the publisher was number 9000+. Apparently any book that sells 10K+ in one week is pretty much guaranteed to be on a bestseller list, so Glinner should be on the lists for at least the first week after publication.

Abhannmor · 03/10/2023 11:22

I imagine it would be higher if it weren't for people like myself who won't deal with Amazon. Eye Books are lovely to deal with though.

SeptemberSky · 03/10/2023 10:19

Tough Crowd is number 22 in Amazon UK Hot New Releases list. I would love to see this book do well.

teawamutu · 02/10/2023 08:04

Just read and greatly enjoyed it. Class snark.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 01/10/2023 23:40

RaisedByHedgehogs · 01/10/2023 16:49

Use this form and ask them to buy a copy. It’s not in the consortium either.

https://essex-self.achieveservice.com/service/Request_library_items

I will give that a try, thanks!

SecretShambles · 01/10/2023 17:37

AInightingale · 30/09/2023 19:03

The bestseller that everyone will ignore?

Funnily enough, I was trying out the 'Ziffit' app the other day (my mum is having a clear out). It's a site where you send used books and receive cash. When I entered the ISBN for Helen Joyce's 'Trans' (my book but just experimenting) I got a message to say they 'could not accept' it. Didn't happen with any other book, even the most obscure ones I entered. Odd?

I get that with loads of books. Usually old, out of date ones though.
Interestingly I can't get on the WRN website from my work laptop as it pops up with a banned website message . Stonewall or LGBT Foundation ( tested for experimental purposes) no problem.

RaisedByHedgehogs · 01/10/2023 16:49

PaperWalkAndTalk · 01/10/2023 14:04

Yes, this is normally the case, that you can "pre-order" books, but not this one.

Use this form and ask them to buy a copy. It’s not in the consortium either.

https://essex-self.achieveservice.com/service/Request_library_items

Request library items - Essex County Council

https://essex-self.achieveservice.com/service/Request_library_items

PaperWalkAndTalk · 01/10/2023 14:04

Mauricemossy · 01/10/2023 12:33

At my library books not yet published but they have on order can be seen on the catalogue ready to place a reservation on. I am going to request my local library buy a copy

Yes, this is normally the case, that you can "pre-order" books, but not this one.

Mauricemossy · 01/10/2023 12:33

PaperWalkAndTalk · 01/10/2023 11:59

I've been trying to get this from my library (Essex libraries) yet the book isn't listed and they normally get everyone else's autobiographies.

At my library books not yet published but they have on order can be seen on the catalogue ready to place a reservation on. I am going to request my local library buy a copy

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 01/10/2023 12:01

It's not yet published, PaperWalkAndTalk, it's due out on the 12th.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 01/10/2023 11:59

I've been trying to get this from my library (Essex libraries) yet the book isn't listed and they normally get everyone else's autobiographies.

ArabeIIaScott · 01/10/2023 11:50

Crikey, that's clear.

AutumnCrow · 01/10/2023 11:38

That's a breathtaking read, with its combination of Graham Linehan's pithy, articulate style and what for many will be the shocking nature the subject matter.

More comments are coming online now, with huge support for Graham Linehan.

SeptemberSky · 01/10/2023 11:05

I’ve pre ordered his book (Tough Crowd) from Amazon, £18.19. I hope it’s a best seller.

Needmoresleep · 01/10/2023 10:46

Fabulous article.

That man is amazing, and so articulate.

This is the first authoritative history of a bizarre illogical movement.

The Mail usually moderate comments on difficult subjects in advance. A good thing because if not they would end up with a bunch of looney rants, and perhaps legal problems. They almost always include some with the opposite viewpoint, which inevitably get voted down.

Catsanfan · 01/10/2023 10:29

Up to 217

teawamutu · 01/10/2023 10:14

Damn, he's a good writer. Really looking forward to the book. Excellent that he got the Challenor saga in there, I'd like to think the Lib Dems and Greens might be asked a few more questions.

159 comments showing for me.

Helleofabore · 01/10/2023 09:25

Always worth remembering that quote wait

Waitwhat23 · 01/10/2023 09:16

LoobiJee · 01/10/2023 09:06

““Misgendering' became taboo practice because of the combined efforts of trans activists and the privileged members of the laptop classes enforcing the new orthodoxies but it's a taboo that has been imposed without debate or consent.
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Which is why, according to our new ethical overlords, an Oscar-nominated actress has re-emerged as a man called Elliot Page, and activists and 'progressives' consider it a hate crime even to mention Elliot's former name.
^^
But these taboos, supposedly driven by 'kindness', empower the most dangerous men in society. If we rewire our brains to such an extent that we see men as women, it will be easier for opportunistic predators such as Adam Graham – the double rapist almost admitted to a Scottish women's prison by Nicola Sturgeon's government – to access single-sex spaces across society, not just in prison.””

A quote by James Morton of the Scottish Trans Alliance, one of the main drivers of the Scottish Prison Service's transgender policy (which was put in place in 2014 and remains in place. Bryson was only moved due to public outcry) -

‘We strategized – we strategized – that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise’.

LoobiJee · 01/10/2023 09:15

“These weren't transsexuals. These were just men, acting under a variety of motives, some benevolent, some far less so. But crucially, under self-ID, there was no way for women to tell the difference.
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This led me to investigate some of the people being protected by this uniquely violent form of discourse.”
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“I have nothing but contempt for politicians, charity bosses and journalists who thrust [xxxx] into the spotlight, abandoning all critical thinking on hearing the word 'trans' and silencing whistleblowers who tried to raise the alarm. [xxxx] is one example of what I called a 'central outlier', someone supposedly unrepresentative of the 'trans community' yet who was lauded and promoted within it.
^^
There are others. The muddiness of the word 'trans' empowers opportunistic men, even as it disempowers children and women.”

[name redacted as it seems to trigger post deletions.]

LoobiJee · 01/10/2023 09:06

““Misgendering' became taboo practice because of the combined efforts of trans activists and the privileged members of the laptop classes enforcing the new orthodoxies but it's a taboo that has been imposed without debate or consent.
^^
Which is why, according to our new ethical overlords, an Oscar-nominated actress has re-emerged as a man called Elliot Page, and activists and 'progressives' consider it a hate crime even to mention Elliot's former name.
^^
But these taboos, supposedly driven by 'kindness', empower the most dangerous men in society. If we rewire our brains to such an extent that we see men as women, it will be easier for opportunistic predators such as Adam Graham – the double rapist almost admitted to a Scottish women's prison by Nicola Sturgeon's government – to access single-sex spaces across society, not just in prison.””

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 01/10/2023 08:36

It’sa great read, looking forward to the book even more.