MAFS - first transgender bride.

I mean Ella doesn't look like any woman I've ever come across

Even if it weren't obvious, I find the wrists and hands give it away.

The ‘star’of something about Miriam ended his own life.

I agree @inkjet .
There is an issue around consent whether he truly felt he could say NO. Ahd wha5 the6 have done if he had done so? Could have gone either way really abd depends a lot on how they presented things.

I really don't understand why my post was deleted MNHQ? I didn't include any links or use any slurs. Please could you explain.

All I said was that Ella's statement she was as normal as the other girls was clearly nonsense as she is about as far from normal and the other girls as anyone could be. Also all the surgery she has had just makes her look weird (especially the tight uncomfortable looking breasts) and Ella is just a superficial caricature of what a woman actually looks like.

What is so wrong about that MNHQ?

Didn't they learn a lesson with 'something about Mary' they did years ago. The bloke who won ended up punching the producer.

Shit idea then and shit idea now.

Xpost @UndercoverCop

The article says that Chanel 4 had told the man about the fact his match was trans before the ceremony but still chose to go ahead….

It says in that article that he was told before the 'wedding' that's his match was trans and he agreed to continue and the scene was shot for dramatic effect. I'm as GC as they come but he can't say he didn't know. He could've said no thank you, and just not been on television.

Oops . Apologies

I mean Ella doesn't look like any woman I've ever come across.

They primarily looks like a plastic surgery addict. I can see how someone might attribute anything odd about their appearance to a surgery habit rather than their sex. At least with clothes on. That bikini shot gives the game away immediately.

That's the PP editing the quote. Not the actual quote.

but I feel like people aren't educated shouldn't be allowed to have a sexual orientation that excludes men these days
SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED??!

I find it difficult to believe that the ‘groom’ hasn’t already been made aware of a possible union with a trans person.

Although I’ve never seen the show, so could be totally wrong 😑

Yes unethical

How devastating for the groom.
If he protests in any shape or form he will be immediately slapped with the label trans phobic and hate crimes will follow as he is targeted by activists - his reputation in shreds, a global nightmare.

He is snookered so to speak but may very well be utterly repulsed by the situation not unsurprisingly. He may wish to have babies, an authentic relationship and as a minimum a connection built on trust and honesty.

He should end his time politely, and respectfully and sue the shit out of the producer. He will never live this down in Australia.

MAFs cheap shot for viewing figures, but it just turns me off the show completely.

Looking at the photos I'd say Ella has had a LOT of surgery, but the result is a superficial representation and a caricature of a woman. Sorry Ella, as I guess it was a long, painful and expensive process.
I think MAFS have been completely unethical. No reason why a trans person can't be on the show, but there must be full disclosure up front.

TBH looking at Ella I'm surprised the guy didn't smell a rat. I mean Ella doesn't look like any woman I've ever come across.

I actually expect the groom will be fine with it or the TV show wouldn’t be showing it. Also Ella wouldn’t be doing these interviews saying they are happy with the show, if his groom had reacted in a negative way.

Hopefully true but given the current environment I wonder if the man felt he could be honest if he wasn’t happy? “If I say I’m not happy I’ll be slandered as transphobic in national media”. Let’s hope he truly was ok with it.

That photo though. Literally take a chest and stick two fake boobs on it like pom poms. No attempt to make them look real or blend in with the body at all.

Ditto the hip shape. Very odd looking. The bikini bottoms look all kinds of wrong. Very mean to dupe the poor groom though.

I remember.

There was a BBC Sounds podcast recently, "Unreal: A Critical History of Reality TV", presented by two plummy, middle class, media types (Pandora Sykes and Sirin Kale).

Their comments regarding the men's reactions to Miriam and the show were shocking - essentially accusing them of being toxicly masculine, bigoted bullied etc for not being overjoyed at the whole world seeing them flirt and kiss another man.

They really painted the men as VILLAINS in the saga and Miriam as the powerless, vulnerable victim who was exploited. Miriam died a few years ago, which only serves to suit this narrative.

It made me so angry and I'd been enjoying the podcast up until that point. There were 10 episodes and this was one of the last ones.

I feel sorry for the man paired with this person but I hope it makes people think a bit if they are the kind of person who thinks this is unfair/deception then that must be because they accept that this person is male....and if they accept that, then that means ALL TW are male....and maybe that means those annoying women who have been saying it for years aren't just a bunch of bitter old meanies but have a point.

Cos you can't talk about this situation being unfair to the bloke but at the same time maintain a "be kiiiiiiind" stance on letting biological men in women's spaces.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/miriam-rivera-death-cause-age-something-about-miriam-big-brother-tv-a9049116.html

'The series drew significant controversy at the time of its release, with all six men later suing Endemol, the production company behind the series, for conspiracy to commit sexual assault, defamation and personal injury due to “psychological and emotional damage”. The suit was eventually settled out of court.'