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Councillor removed from lead role for 'engaging with transphobic posts on social media'

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ArabeIIaScott · 12/09/2023 14:31

https://www.gscene.com/news/transgender-news/labour-councillor-alison-thomson-of-brighton-hove-city-council-apologises-for-engaging-with-transphobic-posts-on-social-media/
'The Labour councillor was slammed by community groups for reposting or liking a series of tweets supporting the anti-trans TERF movement, which is spearheaded by controversial figures such as JK Rowling and Julie Bindel. The councillor said in her apology:
“I apologise unreservedly for endorsing these social media posts which contain anti-trans sentiments.
“I recognise that they are offensive to the transgender community and I am deeply sorry for the hurt caused by this.
“I am committed to undergoing training to better understand the lived experiences of transgender people and with the aim of becoming a good trans ally.”'

Labour councillor Alison Thomson of Brighton & Hove City Council apologises for engaging with transphobic posts on social media

Brighton & Hove City Council councillor Alison Thomson, of Brighton & Hove Labour Party, has apologised for engaging with transphobic posts on social media, as reported by Scene magazine.

https://www.gscene.com/news/transgender-news/labour-councillor-alison-thomson-of-brighton-hove-city-council-apologises-for-engaging-with-transphobic-posts-on-social-media

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IcakethereforeIam · 18/09/2023 14:38

@IwantToRetire I think @SarahJane03 was being sarky (though some tras come up with such nonsense it can be hard to tell). It didn't seem, to me, from the rest of the post that the situation in Brighton was something they approved of.

@duc748 that almost reads like an automated response. ...but enough about women (the old fashioned cunty kind), you also seem to need re-education so pay to come to this thing.

duc748 · 18/09/2023 14:11

A response (of sorts) to my email to the Women's Forum, Perhaps sending it to the second address paid dividends. I reproduce it below in all its glory:

Hi duc,

The Women’s Forum is made up of many different people who all have individual personalities and it is not for me to comment on what they think about trans rights.

It is Labour’s policy to be fully inclusive and this means supporting LGBTQ+ people in gaining equal rights.

If this is an important issue close to your heart then I suggest you take a look at the Labour LGBT website and explore how the group is helping people, and driving positive change. https://www.lgbtlabour.org.uk

If you would like to reserve tickets please let me know how many as we are going to sell out soon,

Thanks, [redacted: woman's name]

No mention of women's rights. I don't think spending the 15 quid is going to be to any good purpose. I will reply to her email, but haven't done it yet.

LGBT+ Labour

LGBT+ Labour

https://www.lgbtlabour.org.uk/

IwantToRetire · 15/09/2023 15:04

SarahJane03 · 15/09/2023 12:12

Her only mistake IMO is to try and argue with what has become tcity on the south coast. I used to live in Brighton, but so glad I left when I did. Remember this is the place where Kathleen Stock was hounded out of her job for being GC and there were clashes by the local tmob when Posy Parker tried to let women speak. (I visited recently, against my better judgement, and as someone above said the place has gone to the dogs.. Not a nice place to be or visit anymore..) I forgot to add this is where a traumatised woman, (from sexual assault) was told she HAD to accept a male into the women's support group as they were inclusive, despite the whole point of the need for the single sex group to the nature of the trauma.) Go figure!

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IamSarah has despite her appalling treatment by a so called Rape Crisis service, is trying to form a self help group for women.

So how on earth has she made a "mistake"? You think women raped in Brighton should just STFP and not ask or organise for their rights?

Awesome sensititivy.

SarahJane03 · 15/09/2023 12:12

Her only mistake IMO is to try and argue with what has become tcity on the south coast. I used to live in Brighton, but so glad I left when I did. Remember this is the place where Kathleen Stock was hounded out of her job for being GC and there were clashes by the local tmob when Posy Parker tried to let women speak. (I visited recently, against my better judgement, and as someone above said the place has gone to the dogs.. Not a nice place to be or visit anymore..) I forgot to add this is where a traumatised woman, (from sexual assault) was told she HAD to accept a male into the women's support group as they were inclusive, despite the whole point of the need for the single sex group to the nature of the trauma.) Go figure!

duc748 · 15/09/2023 12:02

Just on that Women's Forum thing I mentioned upthread, I just went back and re-read my emails, and I noticed that there was a different email address at the bottom of their email from the one they sent from. So maybe, it was sent from a 'no-reply' account, IYSWIM. Anyway, I've forwarded what I said to the other address, so covering all bases now.

Bosky · 14/09/2023 22:48

Nadlad · 13/09/2023 21:06

Brighton of course has a trans councillor: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0g5h4xs (not sure why he was chosen for this programme as he only got elected in May this year, but it's the first thing that came up)

Constituents could always contact him if they felt too uncomfortable to contact a female councillor who believes in biology.

What a scary-looking . . . person!

Bosky · 14/09/2023 21:55

Nadlad · 13/09/2023 16:59

EDIT - no it doesn't! But I can still see them on my computer at least.
A lot have been deleted, as is the way with Argus comments on this topic.

Comments on the Argus article - does this link work to see them? https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/23783623.brighton-labour-councillor-apologises-transphobic-posts/#comments-anchor

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If you have still got it open on your computer you might be able to catch the comments by doing a "Print Screen" to PDF.

And/or take screen shots of the comments as images.

EggInANest · 14/09/2023 17:13

How many fingers, Winston?

Here Endeth My Life as a Labour Voter.

RubyTrees · 14/09/2023 16:20

@IwantToRetire this is the archived version of the link @Enterthewolves posted:
https://archive.ph/nM57h

IwantToRetire · 14/09/2023 16:03

Like others I couldn't see any comments on the Argus article, even before it was paywalled (bit of an own goal) but did comment on the Brighton and Hove news article, and thought it had got lost to "moderation". But it looks like it has been allowed through.

Which was the other local paper that someone mentioned? Could you share the link?

Thanks

IwantToRetire · 14/09/2023 15:56

WhyThatsDelightful · 12/09/2023 22:37

Published guidance from Brighton Hove City Council on how to respond to Cllr Thomson’s tweets.

BHCC-tweets.tiiny.site

(can someone archive this please to make it accessible for everyone)

I dont think this is the Council's web site. It is more people complaining that she hasn't been sacked. Or is it a local forum?

RubyTrees · 14/09/2023 15:41

Enterthewolves · 14/09/2023 10:21

Another local article - with the ‘offensive’ tweets in full and with all comments pro the Cllr Thomson. https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/09/14/trans-row-councillor-loses-informal-policy-role/

Thanks @Enterthewolves.

Archived here (with comments) in case it vanishes.
https://archive.ph/nM57h

Grammarnut · 14/09/2023 15:32

Brighton and Hove News have similar article and have comments, all but a couple supportive of Alison ( but not her apology).

duc748 · 14/09/2023 10:54

Enterthewolves · 14/09/2023 10:21

Another local article - with the ‘offensive’ tweets in full and with all comments pro the Cllr Thomson. https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/09/14/trans-row-councillor-loses-informal-policy-role/

Yes, a much more honest piece than some of the reporting upthread, by actually including all the quotes. And the comments. Deafening silence, BTW, from the Labour Women's Forum I forwarded this story to, asking for comment. Not that I'm surprised. Sense I get, at a local level, is, the Labour Party doesn't want to talk about this stuff.

Ramblingnamechanger · 14/09/2023 10:38

Solidarity to her…but would strongly advise her not to go on the re education course. Shame she felt she had to apologise. Any comments from the higher ups, and could this be discussed at the Conference?

Datun · 13/09/2023 23:24

ArabeIIaScott · 13/09/2023 21:46

This is direct discrimination, isn't it?

Datun, sorry, that's what you said yesterday but I didn't register it at the time!

They've removed her from her role because of her legally held beliefs, which are WORIADS.

Exactly. She may not want to sue them tho.

ArabeIIaScott · 13/09/2023 22:22

Worth of Respect in a Democratic Society. Her 'gender critical' beliefs are protected under the Equality Act. She can't be discriminated against for holding them.

I'm not a lawyer, but sacking someone for having 'gender critical' beliefs seems like direct discrimination to me.

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nibblemonster · 13/09/2023 22:18

@ArabeIIaScott sorry if I am being dumb but what does "WORIADS" mean?

Also, does she have a legal case against them in any way? I assume the Labour party rules are tightly stitched up so they can dismiss for not aligning with the overall values or something.

JanesLittleGirl · 13/09/2023 22:01

So Brighton isn't a safe space for women. OK. I understand and will stay away.

ArabeIIaScott · 13/09/2023 21:46

This is direct discrimination, isn't it?

Datun, sorry, that's what you said yesterday but I didn't register it at the time!

They've removed her from her role because of her legally held beliefs, which are WORIADS.

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ArabeIIaScott · 13/09/2023 21:44

CloudsOfLife · 13/09/2023 21:34

Fgs every ward has three councillors so residents can always contact any or all or them as they prefer. Or any of the Cabinet Members about a particular portfolio issue. Or the Leader. Or a senior council officer.

I think the argument is that her legally held beliefs might be ... contagious?

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Cosmosforbreakfast · 13/09/2023 21:42

In news that will surprise nobody, Greens are queuing up to denounce her and call for her ritual sacking and shaming.

They want to vilify and punish a woman for defending our rights to our privacy, our identity and our right to safety for ourselves and our children.

Shameful.

CloudsOfLife · 13/09/2023 21:34

Fgs every ward has three councillors so residents can always contact any or all or them as they prefer. Or any of the Cabinet Members about a particular portfolio issue. Or the Leader. Or a senior council officer.