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Leaked recording exposes trans turmoil at The Guardian (Times, 12/09/23)

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BettyFilous · 12/09/2023 08:45

Interesting to see this article surface.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b16ddb8a-50df-11ee-a518-203f78f24415?shareToken=77b1ad072e9c62fff94095120488bc5d

The Guardian is embroiled in more turmoil over its stance on the trans debate, with an internal meeting setting staff at loggerheads.

Leaked recording exposes trans turmoil at The Guardian

The Guardian is embroiled in more turmoil over its stance on the trans debate, with an internal meeting setting staff at loggerheads. Journalists including Suza

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b16ddb8a-50df-11ee-a518-203f78f24415?shareToken=77b1ad072e9c62fff94095120488bc5d

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 09:35

There was once a slightly balanced look at the GRA legal situation which gave voice to both sides. But the twatty American Guardian "journalists" angrily wrote a diatribe condemning the U.K. Guardian.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/02/guardian-editorial-response-transgender-rights-uk

That’s because, days earlier, the Guardian published an editoriall^ that we believe promoted transphobic viewpoints, including some of the same^ assertions about gender that US politicians are citing in their push to eliminate trans rights. Guardian journalists in the US had no input in the editorial, which we felt was misplaced and misguided, and nearly all reporters and editors from our New York, Washington DC and California offices wrote to UK editors with our concerns.^

The editorial was an attempt to make sense of a growing debate about trans rights in the UK. While focused on the Gender Recognition Act, the editorial and resulting conversations have exposed some of the fundamental divides between American and British feminism and progressive politics – and highlighted for us an alarming intolerance of trans viewpoints in mainstream UK discourse.

The editorial used a UK legal debate about IDs to argue that trans rights “collide” with cis women’s rights; that equality for trans women “could adversely affect other women”; and that allowing trans women to access public spaces threatens cis women’s “safety”. These arguments were met with particular dismay in the US as they echo the position of anti-trans legislators who have pushed overtly transphobic bathroom billss^.

As if the purpose of the U.K. Guardian and pertinent debates about U.K. law is to support the US readers. The article had fuck all to do with anyone in America. The arrogance was breathtaking.

Beowulfa · 12/09/2023 09:34

user123212 · 12/09/2023 09:27

One former staff member said: “As long as The Guardian bows to Guardian US, I don’t see much changing.”

very very interesting. so it is because of the Americans pulling the strings. that should be enough to make Brits think twice about the issue.

Yes this is the significant bit for me. Surely no self-respecting self-righteous professional lefty wants to feel like they're a puppet of the US?

LunaNorth · 12/09/2023 09:30

<<coughcoughBigPharmacoughcough>>

user123212 · 12/09/2023 09:27

One former staff member said: “As long as The Guardian bows to Guardian US, I don’t see much changing.”

very very interesting. so it is because of the Americans pulling the strings. that should be enough to make Brits think twice about the issue.

RealityFan · 12/09/2023 08:53

You gotta love that a discussion on diversity equity inclusion was objected to when it happened during a meeting on...diversity equity inclusion.

There you have it, re GCs harassment at the Guardian...diversity for me, but not for thee.
Equity, but only for TRA views. Inclusion? Only if you agree with the party line.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/09/2023 08:49

Four gender-critical speakers claimed they had been harassed because of their views, with one deputy editor noting that attempts to organise internal events had resulted in “efforts to loudly, even violently, protest or stop meetings taking place”. No one rebutted these views before 150 attendees.

However, the imbalance in speakers subsequently left many in the newsroom furious because it was held during the newspaper’s diversity, equity and inclusion week, Semafor reported.

LOL at that last bit.

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