Leaked recording exposes trans turmoil at The Guardian (Times, 12/09/23)

You know this is a gateway drug to the whole revolution that is transhumanism.

If you can really convince society to accept medicalisation of teens, drugs and surgery, with all the attendant disasters of infertility, osteoporosis, and worse mental issues long term, then you have a nice little earner that can only grow exponentially, and lead to the bigger prize, transhumanism.

Mary Harrington is your woman for this.

$5bn today
$50bn in a decade.
The sky's the limit from there.

Medicine, will pay, find patient. Hundreds of thousands of new patients, thank you very much.

😁

I’ve got a bit fed-up with the Australian focus too, especially in the lifestyle section. They don’t even flag that articles are written for Australian readers so you start reading something, lured in by an interesting title or image, then find yourself in a discussion of property zoning or Australian rental law that has absolutely no relevance to a UK reader.

You’re right Maggie, it’s clear they take their instructions from the US and Australia. They should be ashamed.

I've been saying for a while now, it's no longer "The Manchester Guardian" but "The San Fransisco Guardian".
It's firmly a US Liberal paper, not a UK left wing one.

Chloe Cole, damn you autocorrect!

How many surgically and hormonally altered minors and young people are acceptable to you GoT? I see 700-800 mastectomies on teenage girls in the 13-17 category in that report. Are you good with that? Not a teeny weeny concern that like Chloe Coke they might have been confused and might regret it? Do you have any teenagers btw?

Did anyone challenge Sonia Sodha and Susanna Rustin or any of the other blasphemers? It sounds like no-one tried to counter their arguments, they just recorded them and leaked them to try and stir things up. Which sounds like typical TRA behaviour. The only surprise is that they didn’t run to Ben Hunte of Vice.

It may not be a lot in the over all figure but for some people it’s a way to improve their livelihood

A name was given below as an example

That £ drive is a powerful one

I have no idea why we are seeing this sweep so much over western democracies though. It’s in our politics, media and laws

Well I don’t know about you lot but I’m now completely convinced that there’s no way the US medical industry is going after a market with an estimated revenue of $5bn. I mean, what’s in it for them?

They are easily google able. The outpatient surgical procedure market alone is worth around 122 billion, so you can add a lot more to that figure.

A more convincing argument than repeating your subjective use of 'overcooked' might be to find figures for the total surgery market - as we're looking at growth perhaps find some other fields with that level of growth for comparison.

You're talking about 'meds', too, so some figures on those might also be interesting.

Um.

'More than 50 transgender boys under the age of 18 have been approved for double mastectomies in Scotland, it has been revealed.'

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-doctors-approved-breast-removal-for-51-trans-teenagers-qvkmz8r2c

That may be true, I don't know, but it's not for want of trying.

That’s a very small % of the total surgery market in the US though.

And surgery encompasses more than meds which is what “big pharma” makes.

My point stands: “big pharma” is overcooked.

Norman Spack, Boston-based endocrinologist famous for “salivating” at the prospect of medicalising children for life, took the Dutch model, ran away with it, monetised it (by default, because the US health system works that way) and it spread across the USA like wildfire.

Susie Green went to Norman Spack, brought that run away diffusion model back to England and bingo! You have the Tavistock scandal.

Quite,if they're practically giving this stuff away where's the harm?

Bloody hell

And we are seeing the push here for the ideology that underpins it via the Guardian

'Violently'! How the fuck are they still working there?

Excerpt from Myalternate’s study:

U.S. Sex Reassignment Surgery Market Report ScopeReport Attribute
Details
Market size value in 2023
USD 2.3 billion
Revenue forecast in 2030
USD 5.0 billion
Growth rate
CAGR of 11.25% from 2023 to 2030
Base year for estimation
2022

looks like the new Sacklers to me.

The USA's health care system is unique in that it allows for aggressive marketing of drugs. It is not uncommon to see adverts pleasing for people to ask their doctors about new drugs. The marketing persists in the political arena too and effects academic research.

It is no accident that Trans Right Activism started in America or that Britain that has completely different health system is known as TERF Island. Even though there have been some disasters with Tavistock etc we have never reached the depths of depravity where kids have had healthy body parts removed. The NHS makes it much harder for new 'treatments' to become accepted.

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20sex%20reassignment%20surgery,11.25%25%20from%202023%20to%202030.

Seems as if it is big business…

Lots of organisations love proclaiming themselves "anti-imperialist" whilst doing exactly what Americans tell them to.

Rats Eresh you got me

I of course spotted the stitch up by auto correct as soon as I hit post but forgot about the new edit function

I was just sneaking back to hide my incompetence but you got in first damn you

Let’s start meditating kids then! As long as no one’s making a profit out of it it’s a great idea amirite?

Perhaps kids should meditate, I don't have an issue with a bit of mindfulness lol