Leaked recording exposes trans turmoil at The Guardian (Times, 12/09/23)

On the Guardian's issue at last people are realising some trans people went too far and that there are a range of views on this and many topics rather than the one right path of the true socialist way…

Aaaagh! Identity politics is far from socialist, and transgenderism is about as unsocialist as you can get! Solipsistic, hyper-individualistic at the expense of the community, and based on fantasy rather than material reality.

I can understand credulous teenagers falling for the seductive propaganda, that they are very very special people.

But what happened to the grown-ups? The Labour Party, the unions? Even the Greens, though it’s easier to see how a small party can be infiltrated and turned.

Most sane adults know what’s real, if they take time to think about it. But if they are left wingers, politics is a lonely place right now.

Absolutely. Move along now, nothing to see here, nothing to see …

Metaphor of the week!

Ahh, identity politics as the empty calories of public discourse. Easy to mass produce, addictive to a substantial part of the population, and tends to squeeze out more robust, harder to digest, but more nutritious intellectual fodder.

No wonder global corporations are so keen on identity politics and all its devil's spawn offspring. Nestlé pushing formula in Africa and pushing-out breast feeding, Coco Cola poisoning populations with sugary drinks and sucking up the water supplies, that will be our fault all along. We made them do it.

And where are the most enthusiastic propagandists for identity politics? On the Left and in the Greens. Politicians and brainwashed puppets in the press guilt-tripping the common people that we are the cause of the world's ills.

When this unholy alliance decides it's the right time to condemn the monstrous impact of electric vehicles, that will have been our fault too, "the West", not the rapacious corporations who have appropriated, corrupted and are cashing in on environmentalism.

I stopped reading the Guardian when I realised that it didn't care about any part of the UK outside Islington and furthermore that it regarded all working class Britons as boorish, gullible and prejudiced.

I realised this in 2014. Yes, I am generally quite slow on the uptake.

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I'm surprised the Guardian thought it might actually have a "debate" about the issue, when we all know how fascist the views of Trans Allies/activists are - "You WILL believe/speak/say as we do OR ELSE!".

I think the very last thing I should do is learn to make baklava

I really, really want to though

I think it's bah-klava ! I could be wrong, it tastes good anyway!
To continue the derail , I use rose water for the syrup,yummy!

Sorry, derail but how are we pronouncing baklava, it's worse than scone and nearly as bad as gyre falcon imo. Back-lava, bah-klava or summat else?

Oh, I love baklava! I'm on the it's eastern side as it seems to be from the Ottoman Empire.

Just to finish my attack on the newspaper, the other day they had an article headlined ' Snack attack ;how the west exported unhealthy eating to Africa and Asia '. Apparently instead of eating traditional foods poor people are eating bread type snacks with empty calories. I thought it was a giant leap to suggest that 'the West' was deliberately doing anything. And the body of the text could not say who was encouraging this in 'the West'.

Depends. The Amish go to the countryside to be separate and apart. Same for the Old Order russian orthodox. FLDS in the US pick out of the way places.
Cults often pick isolated places as well.

Luckily the Equality Act 2010 bans race and sex discrimination etc and the law is equal so that includes discrimination against all races and also includes sex not just gender discrimination. We need to fight to keep that fair law as it stands.

On the Guardian's issue at last people are realising some trans people went too far and that there are a range of views on this and many topics rather than the one right path of the true socialist way...

I think it's more than just that kind of thing.

In any part of the world, unless it is a sort of tourist destination, you will almost certainly find far more ethnic diversity, and people who have come from other parts of the world, in cities. That includes people who have no reason to be afraid of going into the countryside. If you venture into the countryside in Japan, or Botswana, or Pakistan, how many of the people will be from some other place? Not many, generally speaking.

I always think of my friend who went to work in a tiny village in a southern part of Africa. It took two days to drive there, and many of the younger people had never met a white person. Which is fine, I think?

It's also very common for newer groups in a country, even after a few generations, if they originally came to cities, to stay in cities. Sure, some individuals may not, but a lot will. As do many of the people who are born in those same cities - some leave for the countryside, but most don't. - they are more likely to do to other cities and towns.

There are a lot of reasons for that, including concentration of services, jobs, and other people with a similar cultural background. And people have a tendency to stay where they arrive if they find work, and also many people prefer to stay close to family. Religious communities for some may be more difficult to access outside of larger towns and cities too, and that can really influence where people will move to.

But I think the underlying reason is the mass movement in many countries of people from rural areas into cities. Rural areas have lost many families over the years, and big cities have sucked them up, mainly due to economic changes. Why would we expect people who are more recent arrivals would be different and be moving into the countryside in large numbers?

Do we really want every place to look the same? The thing is, I've never heard anyone say that rural Botswana needs to become more racially diverse, or that the fact that it isn't shows they are racists. There's a real double standard.

Don't you hate it when that happens? 😁

Sorry, wrong thread. This was aimed at the French gynaecologist thread.

Someone upthread described a neo-vagina as a cul de sac. The literal translation is arse of a bag. Perfect.

Today we have the sex life of a male serial adulterer and his female partner. I wonder what his wife thinks?

Very good point, @Bosky .

This reminds me of the occasional articles about how "the countryside is racist", "National Parks are not inclusive", etc. based on surveys of the ethnic make-up of visiting townies taking a stroll around the peaks and fells, dingles and dells.

There was a stark reminder in a comment from someone who said they were a refugee that one of the reasons will be that isolated rural areas in countries from which many have emigrated or escaped are unsafe, lawless places where you are liable to be killed, raped, kidnapped or, at the very least, mugged by bandits.

That school trips and information about the comparative safety (in those terms) of the UK countryside would do more to reassure and prove inviting than articles focussing disparagingly on how horribly "white" the countryside is.

It made me realise that while I might read that there is only one police officer covering some vast, remote rural area and think, "That means it is probably a very safe place" that someone with a personal or family history in a more lawless country outside the UK might think, "Wow! Must be teeming with bandits! Best avoid!"

I just thought it was a really nice thing, and they do lots of this sort of stuff. The guy at the beginning is the Chief Exec, himself a famous old player.

That was great thanks duc