New sports club at DC’s high school only open to LGBTQ+ pupils and their allies

It’s the only take. If you believe the school has set up a team specifically for non homophobic students, the only logical conclusion is that the other teams are for homophobic students…
Unless, it’s not actually about homophobia at all. It’s about aligning yourself with an ideology.

Quite.

Brown shirts and nice singing choirs to follow. Join us and burn a book.

So kids who join the other school sports clubs ARE allowed to be dicks to other people in the team?
Errrrr....... no.
Bizarre take.

So kids who join the other school sports clubs ARE allowed to be dicks to other people in the team?

Yup. I'm one of them. (GC gay.)

I'll introduce you to a MNetter currently with an active thread here about not only not being permitted an accessible rape crisis support group (T+ male people have a choice of three different options of group, women who cannot access mixed sex provisions or tried and found male people getting excited by their descriptions of their rape unbearable not to mention unsupportive have none at all) but also having a group of T+ people 'and allies' ensuring that she is not even able to organise a meet up with other women if she organises it herself as she won't permit men with TQ identities to be there to bully, control and destroy the group for her. They've emailed all the venues explaining that she's hateful and I think one framed her as potentially violent to ensure they got their way.

So the lies and absolute batshit such as 'hate on gay kids' is two a penny, it's part and parcel of this very silly movement. At this point LGBT(whatever has been added this week) is nothing more than a political group meaning 'gender politics and anti women compliant', all gay people like myself have been excluded. (And threatened with rape. And death. Barbed wire wrapped baseball bats were celebrated in this. How seriously in need of mental health care do you have to be to think that's ok?)

And no one has any illusions left. Yes, obviously therefore, an LGBT+ only (and compliant friends) which is in fact a political group, comes with problems: this is a group that does not permit other groups of the population the same opportunities or equalities. And the charity and goodwill ran out.... oh, a few years ago now. You'd have to be quite exceptionally naive, intentionally blind or deluded at this point to still think this is something innocent and well meant.

The OP's son can join in if he isn't a dick towards the people in the team
Exactly, for those going "but what about if I want to say this, or that?"
This is what it boils down to.

I have a friend who runs a gay rugby club. It's open to everyone and I think there's one straight man in the team (who is welcome). They set it up because of bad experiences of trying to play for 'normal' rugby teams. So much homophobia but it's ok because it's 'banter'.

It's ok for gay kids to want a safe space to play sport. The OP's son can join in if he isn't a dick towards the people in the team.

You mean like the ones being kicked off lesbian dating apps and described by Nancy Kelley as sexual racists and having to defend legal action trying to have the LGB charity they set up stripped of its charitable status?

Would they be welcome in this club?

OK, so if a child with gender critical views attends this club because they want to play this sport, it's their only opportunity to play this sport, and they don't hate gay or trans people, and then they get talking to a trans student who says, "JK Rowling is an evil transphobic bitch, isn't she?" is this child free to say, "No I don't agree, I think she's just really passionate about women's rights and the way she's opened up a new rape crisis centre for female rape survivors is so inspiring", will they still be welcome in the club?

It’s pretty clear to me who the club is for -OPs faux outrage at her ‘straight GC’ son’s ‘exclusion’ is just smoke and mirrors.
if he wants to go he can go. He just can’t be a dick to gay kids because it’s full of gay kids.
hardly an issue. There are plenty of GC gay people.

‘Are you deliberately ignoring the “TQ+” component?’

no. It’s a club for queer kids. Perhaps OPs kid IS questioning their sexuality or is gay or no or trans. But just doesn’t want to tell OP that. So he should just go.
Wouldn’t be the first ‘straight’ kid to turn up at something aimed at gay kids - so long as he’s not a homophobic twat, no-one will care.

Are you deliberately ignoring the “TQ+” component?
TQ are included too, just because someone has mentioned gay in their post, doesn't mean they're necessarily unaware of the TQ element as well?
So people who are trans can go to the club as well.
So what?
Can also take a friend along. Who isn't LGBTQ.
So everyone's included.
I assume a "GC" person could go, I mean as someone upthread said "what about GC lesbians?!
It'd surely only be a problem if you rocked up to tell anyone trans you "didnt believe in it" or whatever.
Holding the belief is different to actively discriminating or intimidating people who are.
Same goes with homophobic views.

The OP's straight male child wants access to this club because it's the only club for this sport at his school.

Of course he can join it if he wants to by saying he is a LGBTQ+ "ally".

So what's the point of this club?

At best, it's a club for everyone except children who want to bully LGBTQ+ children. Great. Except that the bullying of LGBTQ+ children shouldn't be tolerated in any club.

At worst, it's a club where the OP's son will be forced to stay quiet and not voice his disagreement if the other children are saying that anyone who thinks trans girls shouldn't use the girls' changing rooms is a hateful bigot who doesn't think trans people should be allowed to exist, or that JK Rowling is antisemitic, or that a particular "cishet" girl in their year is a TERF. In other words, it's a club where he will only be safe from bullying if he keeps his opinions to himself. And even if he does he may well be discriminated against for having cishet privilege.

Nope that’s gay kids plus boys who may identify as girls and hold the homophobic view that lesbians who aren’t attracted to “trans girls” ie boys are homophobic. And of course Q which means anyone & everyone in reality so fuck all to do with LGB

and their “allies” whatever that means in practice!

Are you deliberately ignoring the “TQ+” component?

‘It’s not a club for gay kids.
That’s where the conflict is coming from.’

mmm.
LGBTQ kids plus allies. So that’s gay kids and their friends? Not some random straight boy who already has all the privilege in the world.
of course, he could be gay or bi or questioning so welcome to go along. I’m sure no-one other than OP would make a fuss so long as he is respectful.

I remember my mate joining a gay men’s rugby team, and my DM asking why he felt the need. Why was there a ‘gay’ team. Why did he just play in a ‘normal’ team.
I politely explained that many straight people don’t want gay people in their team, and that he didn’t feel safe or welcome having to hide in the closet just to play a sport.

It’s not a club for gay kids.
That’s where the conflict is coming from.

‘Seems very strange to me that the group is aimed at a particular group on the grounds of sexual orientation. ‘

Are people really so blind to the homophobia that is still everywhere?? It’s fine for a LGBTQ group to exist for young people. So they can meet people similar to themselves, feel supported, feel safe. This one just happens to be based around a sport.

A group that OP wants her straight, male child to have access to for some reason. if it was a group aimed at girls - like girls footie, also underrepresented - would OP be demanding her son be able to join?
what it was a group aimed at non-white ethnicities? Is that racist or Discriminatory?

I reckon the school will give you short-thrift, but if your DS is actually friends with some of the gay kids going, fi your boots.

I think it’s a good idea to encourage trans girls / women to participate in the correct sex class, ie males, and vice versa for trans boys / men. In other words, stick with material reality.

But when women and girls say, "The reason we need our own sports/groups/rape crisis support is because [long list of reasons]" we are called transphobic bigots.

Seems very strange to me that the group is aimed at a particular group on the grounds of sexual orientation. Yes this is high school (and yes many teens are sexually active) but are these children beyond the age of consent in your region? Seems like children are being unnecessarily sexualised
Being lesbian or gay at school.doesnt mean sexually active, or needing to be over 16 - why are you going straight to sex?!
I knew I fancied boys at 11. (Straight) it's not about sex!!
So there's a place you know where others feel the same and aren't mocking "?alphabet people" (OPs words, not mine) - what's wrong with that?