Let women speak-Dublin Sept 16th

KnittingDiva · 2023-09-07T13:35:28+00:00

Anyone else on here planning to attend this?

ApocalipstickNow · 20/09/2023 17:59

Why would a poster be required to defend a randomer on the internet? Etc

Because masturbation is fun?

(also sorry I basically yadda yadda’d your quote there 3times)

IwantToRetire · 20/09/2023 16:49

And of course allowed the disrupters to litter this thread with words like facists etc., so that search engines will now continue to associate LWS / KJK with those words.

IwantToRetire · 20/09/2023 16:47

3timeslucky · 20/09/2023 15:06

I was there on Saturday. It was really well organised and I was lucky to be there with a crowd of lovely women. The speeches were varied and delivered by women of different ages with different stories to tell (and yes Glinner got offered the mic for a couple of mins). Oh, and the pints were epic!

It is kind of weird to find a thread about a Dublin event side-tracked by attempts to get posters to defend comments made by randomers in all corners of the world. Why would a poster be required to defend a randomer on the internet? Why would a poster (or attendee) at LWS be required to defend the presence of people who may or may not have been there, who may or may not hold objectionable views on topics that aren't even up for discussion on this particular thread? The good news is opinions aren't catching, and particularly from people who never spoke at the event. So we can all breathe a sigh of relief on that one.

The warning signs were there of course once a poster added a picture that wasn't even from the event, wasn't from an event run by LWS and wasn't even in Dublin afaik but quite happily asserted it was all of these things. That tells you everything you need to know about their integrity, commitment to accuracy and connection to reality.

Many women turned up at LWS Dublin with fear and they tapped into their courage because they have reached the point of realising that we have to stand up on this issue. Any I spoke to for whom this was their first time "out" were delighted and feeling empowered to do more, say more and turn up again. Women who didn't and couldn't turn up saw how the event was run and how positive an experience it was and I think some at least will tap into that knowledge and show up next time.

Courage calls to courage.

Well said. It is such a shame that so many fall for this every time. Not only is it remarkably tedious, but as you said such an insult to those it is actually about.

Have half a mind to copy all the posts that are about the event, not about some online heckler trying to disrupt, and start a thread that just shows them.

Really glad the turnout was good and the mood supportive.

As I said after watching it, it came over as the event and those who spoke as being quite feisty!

3timeslucky · 20/09/2023 15:06

I was there on Saturday. It was really well organised and I was lucky to be there with a crowd of lovely women. The speeches were varied and delivered by women of different ages with different stories to tell (and yes Glinner got offered the mic for a couple of mins). Oh, and the pints were epic!

It is kind of weird to find a thread about a Dublin event side-tracked by attempts to get posters to defend comments made by randomers in all corners of the world. Why would a poster be required to defend a randomer on the internet? Why would a poster (or attendee) at LWS be required to defend the presence of people who may or may not have been there, who may or may not hold objectionable views on topics that aren't even up for discussion on this particular thread? The good news is opinions aren't catching, and particularly from people who never spoke at the event. So we can all breathe a sigh of relief on that one.

The warning signs were there of course once a poster added a picture that wasn't even from the event, wasn't from an event run by LWS and wasn't even in Dublin afaik but quite happily asserted it was all of these things. That tells you everything you need to know about their integrity, commitment to accuracy and connection to reality.

Many women turned up at LWS Dublin with fear and they tapped into their courage because they have reached the point of realising that we have to stand up on this issue. Any I spoke to for whom this was their first time "out" were delighted and feeling empowered to do more, say more and turn up again. Women who didn't and couldn't turn up saw how the event was run and how positive an experience it was and I think some at least will tap into that knowledge and show up next time.

Courage calls to courage.

FemaleAndLearning · 19/09/2023 21:41

DublinLWS · 18/09/2023 02:29

I went to Dublin, I'm Irish and was really scared about attending

My son travelled with me but he would get hassle in work if he was seen at the event, so we were loitering in the park trying to decide if it was safe for me to alone, when we heard a group of English terfs, spoke for all of 5 seconds and they said come on then lets go

So I ditched the Son and off I went, what a day :)

It was amazing to be surrounded by so many supportive, intelligent women,

I was starstruck seeing all the heros from my phone in the flesh, I saw Glinner and Helen Joyce hugging each other to say hello, Paddy O Gorman in his hat, Mr Menno SMILED at me! Aja was right beside me praising the Gardai, Laoise and then Kellie Jay arrived, I was a proper country bumpkin so thought I better put my phone away and just enjoy being there :)

The speakers were brilliant, sadly none a surprise to me about how woman are treated in Ireland, The woman talking about the constitution was very interesting, Laoise with These Words Belong to Us and I thought the woman who used to work with pride was very brave and the woman at the end talking about being questioned by the Gardai, with a Garda behind her looking very uncomfortable was very satisfying 😎

It felt very safe at the event but I left straight away as I was still worried about getting my train, I met people I knew at the station and on the train but none of us said why we were in Dublin (thats unusual, we normally share every random detail!)

I would be known for supporting and campaigning for gay marriage, abortion, travellers rights and no I dont think Ireland is full, is it likely people who know me would assume I also support trans people over Womens rights? God only knows but its not a question that is easy to ask in Ireland right now

The media coverage was woeful, at best they said both sides, worst was anti trans v trans joy, again not suprising

I think the Gardai will have seen where the trouble is though and its not from women wanting to speak, as I was leaving I heard a conversation with a woman and a Garda

" well now thank you very much Garda, you kept us safe, I think you had the easy job today!" "your very welcome, grand day altogether except for the soft rain, you take care now" 😀

Great day and hopefully it happens again soon

and if my English terfy friends are on here, thank you for making me brave enough to actually go in x

I'm one of the English terfs who met you and your son in the park. Pleasure to meet you XX

Waitwhat23 · 19/09/2023 21:35

This for example?

The ones smirking in front of that sign are -

Kirsten Oswald MSP, the Shadow SNP Spokesperson (Equalities), and Shadow SNP Spokesperson (Women).

And

Kaukab Stewart, who is a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee.

RealityFan · 19/09/2023 21:23

...on the other hand, "punch a TERF in the fucking face!", yes, that's said on the TRA side. And much worse besides.

Again, zero critical reasoning skills.

RealityFan · 19/09/2023 21:21

LizaBizza · 19/09/2023 19:50

"dehumanisation"

oh you mean like casually saying "it's a shame the trans person didn't die on the op table"?

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Noone says that shit on here. Try harder, you never know, the effort might improve your critical reasoning.

Nigelladamascena · 19/09/2023 21:14

I have rhubarb in my freezer, I am going to make wine 🍷

Helleofabore · 19/09/2023 21:14

LizaBizza · 19/09/2023 19:40

In an ideal world, yes.

Given what the gender critical in the link said, apparently not unfortunately.

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Well, I guess we start posting some of the horrific things said by prominent trans people about women .

So, as a comparison, these are all published and verified as quotes from these male people who are recognised as trans spokespeople, not a random woman from Ballarat who said something abhorrent and had the microphone removed from her. These male people are proud of their contributions, quite a number have gone through editorial processes and all.

I mean, this is a start, I am happy to continue to post more there is quite the endless stock of them.

https://x.com/garylfrancione/status/1704213912298680473?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Waitwhat23 · 19/09/2023 21:03

I made rhubarb vodka. I can't try it as I don't like rhubarb but I am told it is 'like drinking frigging juice'.

I can imagine it going quite well in a rhubarb pie.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 19/09/2023 21:02

Oh yes. And much easier to make than pastry.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 21:01

Or a crumble!

OchonAgusOchonOh · 19/09/2023 20:59

VaddaABeetch · 19/09/2023 20:56

No rhubarb??? I really want some rhubarb pie. I’ll take apple though.

You have just reminded me that I have some rhubarb in the freezer. Maybe I will make a rhubarb pie tomorrow.

VaddaABeetch · 19/09/2023 20:56

No rhubarb??? I really want some rhubarb pie. I’ll take apple though.

RocketPanda · 19/09/2023 20:39

I made some PIE today. Apple and plum if anyone is interested.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/09/2023 20:21

LizaBizza · 19/09/2023 19:23

I'm just here to leave a friendly reminder that gay and trans people exist, and their lives matter :)

Aah here you are! Still floating about the boards not giving any examples of transphobia. I'm sitting with my feet up, waiting patiently...

MargotBamborough · 19/09/2023 20:17

LizaBizza · 19/09/2023 19:23

I'm just here to leave a friendly reminder that gay and trans people exist, and their lives matter :)

Who do you think believes they don't exist or that their lives don't matter?

If I didn't think trans people existed then I would probably spend a lot less time worrying about which prisons they are housed in and what sporting categories they are competing in.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 19:55

Had to go to.....Australia was it(?) to find some nutter to use to have a go at Irish women speaking.

ArabeIIaScott · 19/09/2023 19:51

Well, no. That's a horrible, nasty thing to say, but it's not dehumanisation. Dehumanisation means stripping a person of their humanity. It's a specific word with a specific meaning.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/09/2023 19:51

Who on this thread said that then? Best report them.

LizaBizza · 19/09/2023 19:50

ArabeIIaScott · 19/09/2023 19:48

'the gender critical' - note the casual dehumanisation.

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"dehumanisation"

oh you mean like casually saying "it's a shame the trans person didn't die on the op table"?

AlisonDonut · 19/09/2023 19:49

LizaBizza · 19/09/2023 19:17

Here's an article on what I posted a couple days ago

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/19/gender-critical-australia-trans/

You know Dublin isn't in Australia right?

ArabeIIaScott · 19/09/2023 19:48

LizaBizza · 19/09/2023 19:40

In an ideal world, yes.

Given what the gender critical in the link said, apparently not unfortunately.

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'the gender critical' - note the casual dehumanisation.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 19:48

Perhaps you should get out of your bubble?