Wyoming sorority have lost

Effectively, the court decided that since it's a private members' club it gets to make its own rules and decide what "woman" means.

I think this is an important area of attack. Basic rules on product advertising, consumer standards, etc, must surely limit how much you can distort words.

And the distortion here is the largest possible.

There has to be a limit on what you can hide under an asterisk and footnote. And I bet there wasn't even an asterisk here ("women*").

I don't usually get involved in these threads, but as someone with US university knowledge:

1. A sorority is basically a private social club. It may provide housing as this one does, not all do.

2. New members are always voted in by the existing ones. It's a popularity contest. The Washington Post says Langford's vote was not by secret ballot, but doesn't say if they ever use secret balloting. Not all Greek organisations do.

3. The reputation of sororities varies by campus; if KKG has "hot" members at USC it does not mean it does here.

4. The University of Wyoming is a public institution and the only full university in the state. Its tuition is $6,000 a year for residents.

5. Effectively, the court decided that since it's a private members' club it gets to make its own rules and decide what "woman" means.

6. This happened in what may be the most conservative (but with a libertarian streak) state in the USA, and the ruling came from an 84 year old judge who was appointed by Reagan. It isn't about being woke, it is about a very particular view common in the Mountain West involving government interference in a private club. If women sued to get into a men-only club they would rule the same. If the club had said no trans members and someone sued, they would have ruled the same: no standing.

They use 'bigotry' as a synonym for prudish/straight laced. Its often used against people who want to stop adult males performing sexual acts in public or with non consenting people. Similarly when they use 'moral panic' about children as drag queens or seeing adult performances.

Its nothing to do with beliefs, because, as stated, two people can have different views and neither is a bigot. We dont say people with different economic solutions are bigoted.

Its an ugly word to try to silence discussion and detract from what is really going on. A man with gender doesn't care if women on a parenting forum dont think he's female, its that he doesnt want people to agree on social norms and stop him from going into the womens changing rooms.

Everything about this movement is about removing social norms around male performing sexual behaviour in public.

Bigotry is intolerance of people with different beliefs. It is not bigotry not to belief the same as them. It is quite clear which way the bigotry runs with TRAs

Do you think it is bigoted not to actually believe that trans women are women, or is it bigoted not to be willing to pretend that they are?

And this is the problem. The expectation of symmetry. A girl sitting watching other girls, with a pillow on her lap is unremarkable

This reminds me of the Sheffield hospital employment tribunal, where the single point the EJ found in favour of the MTF plaintiff was that it was discriminatory for the manager to ask if the MTF were planning to undress in the female changing room, "because she wouldn't have asked a non trans woman". Which is clearly the whole point of it, it's not actually the same thing, because males should not be in female only space.

I wonder if being a very wealthy sorority they assumed that their men with gender wouldnt be a threat? If any man with gender couldve been a house mate, they might have thought twice about the new definition of woman.

Either way, they have pissed off one of their influential past alumni (ie she was senior in the alumni) who is rallying up the others.

I suspect that this will be a very well publicised case and that funding perhaps might end up being something that will end up influencing this policy's future.

Girls tend not to be hiding an erection.

No worries. I realised just before your post that some context would be helpful.

@nauticant just wondering what the significance of the sorority info is?

Hopefully you're just adding context and hope you don't mean that girls with a reputation of good looks, wealth and cattiness in some way aren't worthy of our support? (Cross post - thanks for clarification 😊)

The summaries of KKG above show that this is an organisation with significant status and power that can well afford to adopt luxury beliefs like Artemis Langford being a sorority sister.

From one of the articles it sounded like the powers that be just wanted the publicity of having the first non binary "sister," so they were prob the only one that would take him. They even waived the GPA requirements.

So that is the reason this male individual wanted to be there? Because the reputation for them being very attractive women?

And: https://www.tumblr.com/uscgreekinsider/159838760275/usc-kappa-reputation

Kappa Kappa Gamma (“Kappas”) is known for being a sorority of rich girls. Their reputation varies from campus to campus, but they are universally considered top-tier. Maybe because of the money they bring with them, their houses tend to be one of the nicest on campus. However, many consider Kappas materialistic. Members have a reputation for hunting down other trust-fund kids to marry—something that they probably don’t have much difficulty doing since they are also considered cute or pretty by most.

And more on this sorority. Two of the women from the alumni have spoken on Fox News. But it seems 450 past alumni have signed up to support the challenging of the alumni’s definition of woman, and ultimately male inclusion, by filing a brief in the case.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6342885849112

https://www.iwf.org/2023/11/09/kappa-kappa-gamma-sorority-retaliates-against-alumnae-for-standing-up-for-women-revokes-lifetime-membership-after-50-years-of-sisterhood/

As a sorority alumna (not this one), this makes my blood boil.

Jeez. that is bloody awful. Does nobody give a shit?

My mini dictionary:
Bigotry -> heresy
Educate yourself -> repent
Terf -> witch!

"Bigoted" to call a man a man? I am so tired of this shit.

Is it religious bigotry to say, "I don't believe Jesus was the son of any god"?

Is it racial bigotry to say, "I don't believe Rachael Dolezal should be considered Black"?

Is it ethnic bigotry to say, "I don't believe you should claim Osag tribal status when ancestry.com says you have .01% Native American DNA but your entire family grew up thinking you were all Dutch"?

Is it ideological bigotry to say, "Flat Earth belief is demonstrably false"?

And, as any biologist will explain, human sexual reproduction is binary. We only have male and female humans. Even the minority of humans with DSD don't change the reality that humans are a 2-sex species, like most of all life, and absolutely all mammals.

If trans people claim to be a woman, they either don't agree with the majority on what that word means or they are wrong. They are not who they say they are. And this is very easy to prove.

Those that do so need to reacquaint themselves with the definition of bigoted

What makes these men women then? Please do explain how they are women.

Yes...yes it is. As you are referring to transwomen as men. Many would contend that to be a bigoted position.