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Update from Jo Phoenix

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Imnobody4 · 18/08/2023 17:45

Sorry can't find the previous thread. I thought someone might like to attend. 18 witnesses!! Bet that's just a tactic to intimidate.

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1692558010323702045?t=O8s-xIF3iu564FVwyaYEhg&s=19

NEWSFLASH

45 days to go.

I received news this week that the venue for my hearing has changed. It is now at Watford Tribunal Centre, 2nd floor, Radius House, 51 Clarendon Road, Watford. It will be in an open court (i.e. members of the public are allowed to attend). The dates remain the same.

The case starts on 2nd October with reading and preliminary issues. Evidence-giving starts on 3rd October. At present, I still do not know the exact number of witnesses the OU is calling. In the preliminary case hearing, the OU's representative claimed that they would like to call 18. We are scheduled to exchange witness statements at the end of next week (25th August) and it is then that I will know if all of those 18 witnesses are, indeed, being called to give evidence.

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1692558010323702045?s=19&t=O8s-xIF3iu564FVwyaYEhg

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 23/01/2024 03:15

Mining this N entirely SFW video for material.

To the tune from around 60 seconds in:

🎼Cooper's on fire, your defence is terrified! 🎼

Tom Naylor Soccer GIF by Portsmouth Football Club
VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 23/01/2024 02:35

To the tune of "She'll be coming around the mountain when she comes", which I've just found out from YouTube is used with different lyrics that reference The Battle Of Britain at England v Germany matches.

🎼
There were 18 OU witnesses on the stand.

There were 18 OU witnesses on the stand.

There were 18 OU witnesses, 18 OU witnesses, 18 OU witnesses on the stand.

Then Ben Cooper's cross-examining knocked one down.

Then Ben Cooper's cross-examining knocked one down.

Then Ben Cooper's cross-examining, Cooper's cross-examining, Cooper's cross-examining knocked one down.

There were 17 OU witnesses on the stand...
🎼

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 23/01/2024 02:04

SupportRobin · 23/01/2024 01:41

I have to admit that I've never bothered listening to Guantanamera until I went to look for a link, but it's the basis of the standard name chant eg
"One Jo Phoenix,
There's only one Jo Phoenix
One Jo-o Pheeeeeeeenix
There's only one Jo Phoenix"

although to be honest it generally works best for players with 2 syllable first name and surname.

I went looking for that tune in its "terrace" form and found https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4kBI4oICwU filmed a few days after Sir Bobby Robson's death.

Just as happens to "We Are Sailing" when it becomes "No One Likes Us", the rhythm has been warped with the long notes cut too short, at which point I no longer spontaneously recognise the two tunes as being the same.

Sunderland Fans Tribute for Sir Bobby Robson at Celtic

Sunderland fans at Celtic with a standing applause for Sir Bobby Robson in the last minute of injury time in our 2-1 winTheres only one Bobby RobsonGreat moment

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4_kBI4oICwU

SupportRobin · 23/01/2024 01:41

I have to admit that I've never bothered listening to Guantanamera until I went to look for a link, but it's the basis of the standard name chant eg
"One Jo Phoenix,
There's only one Jo Phoenix
One Jo-o Pheeeeeeeenix
There's only one Jo Phoenix"

although to be honest it generally works best for players with 2 syllable first name and surname.

"Guantanamera" by THE SANDPIPERS 1966 HQ AUDIO

"Guantanamera"is perhaps the best known Cuban song and that country's most noted patriotic song . In 1966, The Sandpipers recorded a most engaging version of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYxCF6vHDok

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 22/01/2024 23:41

DialSquare · 22/01/2024 23:15

I think SupportRobin may mean Can't Take My Eyes Off You.

I know the Frankie Valli song, it's Guantanamera that I don't know.

IcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2024 23:21

I think 'Super Cooper' was quite popular when he first came into our lives.

Now I've got the chorus of 'Hey, Big Spender', but with 'Hey, Ben Cooper'.

DialSquare · 22/01/2024 23:15

I think SupportRobin may mean Can't Take My Eyes Off You.

BreadInCaptivity · 22/01/2024 23:10

IcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2024 22:41

That mealy statement from the OU reminds me, has anything further been forthcoming from SWE following their drubbing from Rachel Meade?

No.

The silence is deafening.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 22/01/2024 23:06

SupportRobin · 22/01/2024 22:16

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia presuming that's the one to the tune of Guantanamera, you could also use the Winter Wonderland tune with a similar start and "walking in a GC wonderland" as the last line.

Or to the tune of "I love you baby"
"Ben Cooper KC,
you are the love of my life.
Ben Cooper KC,
I wanna be your wife
Ben Cooper KC,
I want ginger hair too"

Although to be honest, I think further modification of that one beyond swapping out "I'd let you shag my wife" is necessary if we don't want to give out Annie Wilkes from Misery vibes.

I was using the Winter Wonderland tune. I don't know that other one.

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 22/01/2024 22:58

Froodwithatowel · 22/01/2024 22:01

Grip on reality not improved I see.

Oh do appeal. PLEASE appeal.

😁Can we gently encourage them?

Datun · 22/01/2024 22:42

ooh, thank you for posting all the nitty-gritty.

And all the gleeful , laughing with heads back hurrahs!!

yay, Jo 🍾🥂

IcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2024 22:41

That mealy statement from the OU reminds me, has anything further been forthcoming from SWE following their drubbing from Rachel Meade?

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 22:19

Joan Smith in Unherd

The judgment comes only days after a report by the Committee for Academic Freedom revealed that nine universities have policies under which academics who don’t believe that transwomen are women are considered “transphobic”. They include Imperial College, Sheffield Hallam University and the London Business School.

Such policies are clearly in conflict with both the right to free expression and the intellectually curious atmosphere that should exist in higher education. They are further evidence of the way in which trans lobbyists have degraded basic rights in one institution after another, forcing people to accept transparent nonsense about “gender identity”.

https://unherd.com/thepost/jo-phoenix-wins-tribunal-case-over-gender-critical-views/

Jo Phoenix wins tribunal case over gender-critical views

A gender-critical academic has won her case against the Open University. In a significant victory for academic freedom, an employment tribunal has concluded that Professor Jo Phoenix suffered discrimination, harassment and was constructively dismissed...

https://unherd.com/thepost/jo-phoenix-wins-tribunal-case-over-gender-critical-views

gyf · 22/01/2024 22:17

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 22:02

As above, I suspect they'll be offering a support service to their staff and signatories to the open letter, not least because of the comments from the ET judgment.

I'd be surprised if they have anything to offer JP. Mind, a foil cutter for the fizz would be a nice gesture.

Edited

Point of order, your honour: you don't use a foil cutter for fizz, the foil on those bottles comes off nice and easy. Perhaps they could run to an icebucket?

SupportRobin · 22/01/2024 22:16

@VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia presuming that's the one to the tune of Guantanamera, you could also use the Winter Wonderland tune with a similar start and "walking in a GC wonderland" as the last line.

Or to the tune of "I love you baby"
"Ben Cooper KC,
you are the love of my life.
Ben Cooper KC,
I wanna be your wife
Ben Cooper KC,
I want ginger hair too"

Although to be honest, I think further modification of that one beyond swapping out "I'd let you shag my wife" is necessary if we don't want to give out Annie Wilkes from Misery vibes.

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 22:07

Froodwithatowel · 22/01/2024 22:01

Grip on reality not improved I see.

Oh do appeal. PLEASE appeal.

They claim to be considering it.

Our priority has been to protect freedom of speech while respecting legal rights and protections. We are disappointed by the judgement and will need time to consider it in detail, including our right to appeal.

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 22:02

PronounssheRa · 22/01/2024 21:58

Utterly shit statement from the OU

https://ounews.co/uncategorized/statement-on-employment-tribunal-ruling/

We are deeply concerned about the wellbeing of everyone involved in the case and acknowledge the significant impact it has had on Professor Phoenix, the witnesses and many other colleagues.

my bold. Have they not read the judgement?

As above, I suspect they'll be offering a support service to their staff and signatories to the open letter, not least because of the comments from the ET judgment.

I'd be surprised if they have anything to offer JP. Mind, a foil cutter for the fizz would be a nice gesture.

Froodwithatowel · 22/01/2024 22:01

Grip on reality not improved I see.

Oh do appeal. PLEASE appeal.

Anticipation Popcorn GIF
SidewaysOtter · 22/01/2024 22:01

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 18:59

I've just had this conversation with DH.

I cancelled subscriptions to be able to donate to JP's crowdfunder when she needed another round of money. (Who needs a newspaper or Apple TV.)

I'm pleased we can but I am angry that women have to do this. And even angrier that we are vilified for it.

But, Dworkin.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. -- Andrea Dworkin

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

PronounssheRa · 22/01/2024 21:58

Utterly shit statement from the OU

https://ounews.co/uncategorized/statement-on-employment-tribunal-ruling/

We are deeply concerned about the wellbeing of everyone involved in the case and acknowledge the significant impact it has had on Professor Phoenix, the witnesses and many other colleagues.

my bold. Have they not read the judgement?

The Open University

Statement on Employment Tribunal ruling - OU News

Professor Tim Blackman, Vice-Chancellor of The Open University, releases a statement about the Professor Phoenix / The Open University employment tribunal ruling: “We acknowledge that we can learn from this judgement and are considering the findings ve...

https://ounews.co/uncategorized/statement-on-employment-tribunal-ruling

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 21:53

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 22/01/2024 21:49

I work in a university and I am so pleased to see this judgement. Well done Jo! What an awful experience you went through. I was also pleased to see the references to "Forstater" throughout the judgement - it truly was a landmark case.

You've reminded me of the moment in which West is listening to her husband having an intense political argument with a Yugoslavian.

Just then my eye was caught by two large, loosely formed spheres in neutral colours, one blackish grey, the other brownish black. These were the behinds of two peasant women who were employed by the municipalities to weed the flower-beds at the corners of the square. They were being idiots, private persons in the same sense as the nurse in my London nursing-home, who was unable to imagine why the assassination of King Alexander should perturb anybody but his personal friends. They were paid to pull up weeds, and they wanted the money, so they continued to pull them up, even when the students raised a shout and brought some gendarmes down on them not fifteen yards away. As I looked at those devoted behinds, bobbing up and down over their exemplary task, and the smug face of the automatic rebel, I thanked God for the idiocy of women, which must in many parts of the world have been the sole defender of life against the lunacy of men.

Women everywhere can be grateful to the courage and idiocy of women who defend us all "against the lunacy of men".

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 22/01/2024 21:49

I work in a university and I am so pleased to see this judgement. Well done Jo! What an awful experience you went through. I was also pleased to see the references to "Forstater" throughout the judgement - it truly was a landmark case.

Vebrithien · 22/01/2024 21:43

YEEEEESSSSSSS!!!

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 22/01/2024 21:41

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 18:59

I've just had this conversation with DH.

I cancelled subscriptions to be able to donate to JP's crowdfunder when she needed another round of money. (Who needs a newspaper or Apple TV.)

I'm pleased we can but I am angry that women have to do this. And even angrier that we are vilified for it.

But, Dworkin.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. -- Andrea Dworkin

And including the women who think that they are men, because they too have suffered under male supremacy in the past, even if they've managed since to create a personal escape plan. If that plan falls through in the future (e.g. they are outed amongst dangerous men) then they will suffer under male supremacy again.

Remember that aristocratic transmen cannot inherit an absolute male primogeniture peerage (some Scots peerages are male-preference primogeniture but they are few compared to the number of English peerages and are still male-first) and some 90 seats in the Lords are still reserved for hereditary peers.

Men only let women usurp male privilege as far as it suits them to. The peerage exemption to the GRA is proof of this.