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Update from Jo Phoenix

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Imnobody4 · 18/08/2023 17:45

Sorry can't find the previous thread. I thought someone might like to attend. 18 witnesses!! Bet that's just a tactic to intimidate.

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1692558010323702045?t=O8s-xIF3iu564FVwyaYEhg&s=19

NEWSFLASH

45 days to go.

I received news this week that the venue for my hearing has changed. It is now at Watford Tribunal Centre, 2nd floor, Radius House, 51 Clarendon Road, Watford. It will be in an open court (i.e. members of the public are allowed to attend). The dates remain the same.

The case starts on 2nd October with reading and preliminary issues. Evidence-giving starts on 3rd October. At present, I still do not know the exact number of witnesses the OU is calling. In the preliminary case hearing, the OU's representative claimed that they would like to call 18. We are scheduled to exchange witness statements at the end of next week (25th August) and it is then that I will know if all of those 18 witnesses are, indeed, being called to give evidence.

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1692558010323702045?s=19&t=O8s-xIF3iu564FVwyaYEhg

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 14/03/2024 11:00

Excellent news!

FigRollsAlly · 14/03/2024 10:40

The sheer relief in Jo’s subject header for that email which was titled “It’s over” is so poignant. She’s been through such an ordeal to get here and with such courage. Jo, if you still look at this thread from time to time please know that you are a bright light in a world full of awful news.

SinnerBoy · 13/03/2024 23:20

Mumsnut · Today 18:21

Can’t wait for their statement …

Imagine mosquitos, amplified to the range of a jet engine.

Froodwithatowel · 13/03/2024 18:25

So glad for you that it's over, Jo Wine

Mumsnut · 13/03/2024 18:21

Can’t wait for their statement …

fromorbit · 13/03/2024 17:59

JO's announcement doesn't seem like there is an NDA
UPDATE:

The @OpenUniversity and I have agreed a settlement. My legal case against them has now come to a conclusion. I am relieved that there is no need for a remedies hearing.

As you know, the panel found in my favour. I am sad that it took nearly 5 years of my life, over £230K and an employment tribunal to establish what I knew all along which is simply this:

Gender affirmative academics need to stop acting unlawfully when it comes to gender critical academics. I would add - they need to grow up and start acting like professionals instead of students playing union politics. There could be legal consequences.

Gender affirmative claims about the 'harms' of our beliefs do not justify their hostility towards us in our workplace and do not stand up in a court of law.

University managers - from VC level down - need to act to protect us against the lies, bullying and harassment of our colleagues. Harassment, discrimination and bullying is not academic debate or free speech and it is our managers' responsibilities to set the tone in universities.

My final words in this update belong to Annie Powell. Thank you. I hope I never need an employment lawyer again but if I do, I know whose door I’ll be knocking on.

IcakethereforeIam · 13/03/2024 17:47

Well done Jo. It must be such a relief. Bet it feels odd though, after so long. Like having a heavy weight removed. You feel like you can fly.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 13/03/2024 17:40

That's good news, thank heavens it's all over for Jo. I hope she can relax now. Agree about the glasses and hope she gets a really fancy pair.

popebishop · 13/03/2024 16:56

That's great that it's reached a conclusion. Wine

PerkingFaintly · 13/03/2024 16:38

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2024 13:48

Just read that - presumably she's had to sign an NDA as part of the settlement? Won't make much difference - the OU was spectacularly outed for employing some deeply unprofessional and unpleasant employees - all evidenced in that devastating judgement.

Very pleased for her that it's finally come to an end. Flowers

Seconding all of this. Wine

SinnerBoy · 13/03/2024 16:26

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 13:48

Just read that - presumably she's had to sign an NDA as part of the settlement?

That would be quite amusing, seeing as all their vileness is out in the wild already.

SinnerBoy · 13/03/2024 16:26

NumberTheory · Today 13:43

Email update from Jo today to say she settled with the OU. So no remedies hearing. No details on the settlement.

That says to me that they absolutely know that they haven't even got a stump to try to stand on.

BezMills · 13/03/2024 16:06

Kaching. Thanks Prof.

MarieDeGournay · 13/03/2024 15:58

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 13/03/2024 15:50

I hope she gets a great big glass of wine. Cheers, Jo. Well done.

I think she should go for the most gorgeously extravagant pair of specs she can find 😎.
Well done, Prof. Jo, your courage is inspiring.

ArabeIIaKarenScott · 13/03/2024 15:50

I hope she gets a great big glass of wine. Cheers, Jo. Well done.

Redshoeblueshoe · 13/03/2024 15:35

Well done Jo

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/03/2024 13:48

NumberTheory · 13/03/2024 13:43

Email update from Jo today to say she settled with the OU. So no remedies hearing. No details on the settlement.

Just read that - presumably she's had to sign an NDA as part of the settlement? Won't make much difference - the OU was spectacularly outed for employing some deeply unprofessional and unpleasant employees - all evidenced in that devastating judgement.

Very pleased for her that it's finally come to an end. Flowers

NumberTheory · 13/03/2024 13:43

Email update from Jo today to say she settled with the OU. So no remedies hearing. No details on the settlement.

turbonerd · 06/02/2024 19:43

The universal rule of
Don’t dish it if you can’t take it.

They were proud of their behaviour and will continue to defend their actions I’m sure.

Much kudos to prof Phoenix, once more. She’s a fucking legend!!

IcakethereforeIam · 06/02/2024 11:38

The is an excellent article about the women who said 'no' and who, despite the cost to them, continued to say 'no'

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-cost-of-dissent/

Although, to be fair, some of them just said 'hang on', or 'yes, but', or said nothing but didn't drink the trans kool aid when all their colleagues were getting high on it. Regardless, amazing and brave women, all of them.

I always thought that true courage was carrying on despite how frightened or alone you might feel.

The cost of dissent | Shonagh Dillon | The Critic Magazine

Professor Jo Phoenix won her case against the Open University (OU), and the employment tribunal published a damning judgement which found the OU had discriminated against her for her gender critical…

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-cost-of-dissent

InternetE3plorer · 06/02/2024 08:54

Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.

Crankywiddershins · 06/02/2024 06:44

Whilst I agree with pp that being publicly shamed by the daily mail is a terrible thing I can't help but think it's exactly what these bullies deserve and it's entirely self inflicted. Did they show any care for prof Phoenix and her mental health and welfare? Did they make their harassment of her public in such a way as to encourage/ manufacture a social media pile on? Did they publicly bully a woman out of her job? I'll save my empathy and understanding for people who actually deserve it. As for this bunch of pathetic, abusive, spiteful, "right side of history" footsoldiers for the patriarchy? To quote the awesome GG, I Don't care.

SidewaysOtter · 06/02/2024 06:05

SupportRobin · 05/02/2024 23:21

@SidewaysOtter I've lost track, was that the tribunal that had the really grumpy usher dealing with the online people?

Yes, and a limit of 50 people online. I ended up submitting a complaint but I did get given access in the end as there were some people not using their login.

SupportRobin · 05/02/2024 23:21

@SidewaysOtter I've lost track, was that the tribunal that had the really grumpy usher dealing with the online people?

SidewaysOtter · 05/02/2024 21:33

I did attend the hearing when those named above gave evidence. I don’t think these self-righteous OU witnesses realised quite how badly they actually came across. It is there to see in the judgement though.

I attended too (after quite the wrangle with the ET office) and was also struck by how dismissive the witnesses I saw were. I should imagine they still can’t understand why they were there in the first place (Right Side Of History and all that) or why the ET has ruled as it has. I can quite imagine the echo chamber.