Lesbian speed dating event accused of transphobia for not allowing men

Slight tangent, but I'm getting a vague recollection of a TW who demanded access to a women's changing area and when the women began to use different facilities in preference, demanded that they be forced to use the facilities that the TW was using. I've got a feeling it was a workplace and the TW complained to HR?

It's all about the validation.

This is so upsetting to me as a lesbian. Women were slowly getting their rights back and now It's as if we're going backwards. 'Yes we accept you as lesbians but only if you include men or even ARE them!'

FFS! Yes. I remember.

Also the reports that they taste different and more feminine.

It was "docile"

Anybody remember the vomit inducing gem that is "a TW's penis is a soft and gentle thing"?

Cassie someone. I think they even graced FWR with their presence, IIRC.

It was like a butterfly or some such wasn’t it? <shudder>

Of course TW don't want to date TW. I suspect it's just another way their homophobia expresses itself - they are straight men who know that a lesbian TW is also a straight man. If they have sex together it would be like they were a gay man, and that would be doubly offensive to each TW.

Anybody remember the vomit inducing gem that is "a TW's penis is a soft and gentle thing"?

@Froodwithatowel I've rarely seen it put so clearly. Thank you for that post.

Someone on another thread talked about the fact that some people don't understand the difference between fair and unfair discrimination and think that all discrimination is bad.

Sadly this attributes logic and fairness of application where there is none. I have lately seen a lofty 'sometimes it is necessary to exclude to include' from an activist, dismissing the issue of women having nothing so that male people can express themselves and live their best lives by having everything.

So yes, they get the concept. The common factor is that 'good inclusion' means male people get what they want and 'bad inclusion' means they encounter boundaries or are required to cope with other people having equality with them. 'Inclusion' is another of those words borrowed to manipulate the caring and good faith into usefully serving the political agenda, there is absolutely no interest in or commitment to the values contained in it. Only in how the word can be leveraged to make others do what is wanted.

Gender zealots will never allow female-only spaces and services to exist alongside 'trans inclusive' ones because they KNOW the vast majority of women will choose the female-only option if given a free choice.

They love to pretend its only a 'handful of bigots' and that lots of lesbians love 'queer' spaces and events. If they were SO confident that most lesbians enjoyed being around these kinds of males, they wouldn't care if someone set up a female-only event, because it would fizzle out fairly quickly. But they KNOW lesbians would flock to these events if they were available and publicised, and based on what Jenny Watson said, her events were very popular. Their 'queer' and 'trans inclusive' spaces and events would dwindle to nothing without being propped up by an iron fist. They HAVE to remove any female-only options to maintain the lie that women enjoy any of this. They have to FORCE women to associate with these males because otherwise the overwhelming majority would not willingly do so.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/men-dont-belong-at-lesbian-speed-dating-events/

But that’s exactly what they’re doing.

Like I said, it's fine as they are upfront about their own biology... and as long as they show the same consideration to anyone else.

I didn't say it's fine for them to claim to be lesbians and insist that lesbians date them.

The entire point is that they don’t show the same consideration to anyone else who wishes to restrict their dating pool by biological sex.

They want to, but it’s unacceptable that anyone they date should also want to.

How is that ‘fine’?

Well, I agree with xXJoy that it's a bit cheeky to say that you won't consider males claiming to be women, while expecting women to be fine with it. Or else. It's all of a piece with saying that vulvas/vaginas are a "genital preference" that lesbians are transphobic not to get over, while themselves not being prepared to get over the same genital preference and sleep with other males claiming to be women.

No, it is a sexual interest in males who present as women, and who the heterosexual men know to be male. That's the thrill, apparently.

Actually, I think it's fine for them to do that, they can date who they want - as long as they are upfront about their own biology, not trying to trick potential partners, and as long as they show the same consideration to anyone else who wishes to restrict their dating pool by biological sex.

Some people must...

Some actively sexually attracted by it, some merely neutral on it, so it's not a turn-off for them if their partner wants to do it.

But none of these people attracted to men dressing up 'femininely' are lesbians.

Certainly them dressing up as women (AGP).

But does anyone actually find being on the receiving end of it sexually attractive?

They do seem to love making life ridiculously difficult for themselves…..

I have read that that is a niche interest for certain heterosexual men.

Transwomen are, of course, the biggest terfs out there.

Cheek of them logging on to dating sites and saying they will only date biological women. What??? And what sexual orientation is attracted to men dressed up as women? Does anybody find specifically that attractive?

It makes sense. There's something deeply unattractive about someone with an ingrained belief in gender stereotypes to the point they make it their entire identity. Add the incredibly entitled attitude and its surprising anyone's interested at all.

I wonder if they said no because they don't want to date each other? I've seen enough ads on dating apps from transwomen saying they only want to date biological women.

It feels a lot like it's about breaking down women's boundaries.

I hope they have to do a grovelling reverse.

More information on the derail upthread. He subsequently had 5 years added to his sentence and seems at that time (2019) to have been in a women's prison.

Some of the pictures are really upsetting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6037291/How-intelligent-transgender-woman-went-privilege-attempted-7-Eleven-axe-murder.html