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If you're GC, what should trans people actually do?

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AmaListening · 10/08/2023 20:47

I'd like to understand what someone with gender critical views thinks trans people should do.

Maybe let's make it specific with a couple of famous examples: Laverne Cox (trans woman), and Elliot Page (trans man).

Imagine you had it exactly your way. What should those human beings, who feel and identify the way they do, do about every aspect like: names, pronouns, surgery, clothing, relationships, social spaces, work, sports.

How should Laverne speak about her own identity? Should Elliot not have had top surgery?

I'd really like to understand what the world looks like for trans people if we carry GC views through to their end points.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 21:00

Males can use the facilities and compete in the sports categories for their sex, or in any open categories or third unisex spaces. It's not some wacky new idea.

ArabeIIaScott · 10/08/2023 21:00

AmaListening · 10/08/2023 20:58

Ok, so in your ideal world, where would Laverne Cox go to the toilet, if out in public? If she were an athlete or wanted to be a competitive sportsperson, how would she go about that - or would she just not?

My intention isn't to be provocative but to genuinely understand what the world would look like.

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Males in the male toilet.

Males in male sports.

It's not hard.

RoyKentsTieDyeTop · 10/08/2023 20:59

This really isn’t the gotcha you think it is. Laverne can use the men’s loos or the unisex. And compete in men’s sports. Why not?

It’s not a tricky question to answer.

Jasperdale · 10/08/2023 20:59

They should live their lives, be happy even if they get surgery etc. They should be treated with respect and without discrimination. They shouldn’t force other people to affirm them and pretend they see them as the sex they wish to be. They should stay out of spaces which they do not belong in due to their birth sex not their wished for sex.

YellowReadingLamp · 10/08/2023 20:59

I expect them to respect biological reality and the subsequent consequences of that reality (e.g. men should not be in womens' changing rooms, hospital wards, rape crisis centres, pregnancy groups etc or competing against women in sports).

Beyond that I couldn't care less what they do (so long as it's legal).

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AmaListening · 10/08/2023 20:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 20:54

Imagine you had it exactly your way.

What is "our way" then? Female only spaces stay female only?

Ok, so in your ideal world, where would Laverne Cox go to the toilet, if out in public? If she were an athlete or wanted to be a competitive sportsperson, how would she go about that - or would she just not?

My intention isn't to be provocative but to genuinely understand what the world would look like.

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Randobelia · 10/08/2023 20:57

Use the toilets/ showers/prisons/domestic abuse shelters appropriate to their sex and stop appropriating woman hood.

EarringsandLipstick · 10/08/2023 20:56

that they* can

EarringsandLipstick · 10/08/2023 20:55

What should those human beings, who feel and identify the way they do, do

They should, and can, do whatever they wish, within the bounds of legality & medical advice.

That doesn't mean that can decide to be a woman, in the case of a natal male, or a man, in the case of a natal woman. Correspondingly, they are not entitled to avail of services, spaces, sports or facilities that are not intended for their sex.

It's really not hard.

TooManyAnimals94 · 10/08/2023 20:55

For me, being GC is not about telling other people what to do, quite the opposite in fact. Those people you mentioned can do whatever they like except expect me to buy into a fiction.

It's like asking what Catholics or Hindus should "do". Whatever they feel they need to to affirm their faith, but don't expect me to play a part in it beyond respecting their beliefs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2023 20:54

Imagine you had it exactly your way.

What is "our way" then? Female only spaces stay female only?

EarringsandLipstick · 10/08/2023 20:53

Yarnorama · 10/08/2023 20:50

You could read some threads, the search button is up there ^

Agreed

Yarnorama · 10/08/2023 20:50

You could read some threads, the search button is up there ^