If you're GC, what should trans people actually do?

Elliot identified at age 3 that he felt male.

How does a child come up with such an idea? Most of the reports that I've read where children have supposedly 'identified' as one sex or the other have referred to toys or clothes.

In my house, children were allowed to wear what they wanted (within reason) and play with whatever toys they pleased.

Hi OP, I’m a teacher (secondary).

My main concern around gender ideology is twofold:

1. Safeguarding. ANY loophole (e.g. self-ID) is the antithesis of safeguarding. I cannot in good conscience support self-ID because untrustworthy people will inevitably exploit that loophole. It’s unacceptable. Note that I haven’t even mentioned ‘trans’.
2. Autistic children (ime and according to recent studies) are many, many times more likely to identify as the opposite sex, because they usually have limited cognitive flexibility and are therefore more likely to believe that gender stereotypes are ‘a rule’ that must be followed. I do not support the push to transition autistic children, who might have found other (safer?) ways of expressing themselves previous to this ideology permeating the internet.

I hope this makes sense, please feel free to question anything you’ve read.

@AmaListening Can you say what you mean? Most of the opinions on here strike me as pretty mainstream. Basically-live and let live, but there are a few issues that need to be ironed out which require give and take on both sides.

How would you describe your usual everyday world?

Some people see women as an amorphous source of unconditional love and support, I guess. We are not really humans who may have our own suffering, wants, or preferences. We are just here to service the men and put them first, always.

I'm still pretty stunned that anyone would suggest that rape survivors are in some way obliged to provide their presence to validate a male's feelings.

But I suppose this is how Mridhul Wadhwa is able to suggest that traumatised women need to be 're educated' out of their 'bigotry'.

Good point Arabella

It should also be noted that the woman in question, a rape victim in need of the LA and tax payer funded services this charity has been commissioned to provide, is not asking for the existing women's group to be changed from mixed sex to single sex. She merely asked for an additional female only group to be added to the three currently in existence that are accessible to male people.

This was regarded as unacceptably distressing and unsafe for male people.

It is not women who wish to deprive other people of resources, or have everything for themselves regardless of impact on others.

Ok, so in your ideal world, where would Laverne Cox go to the toilet, if out in public?

Toilets are designed and engineered around sex and the biology/mechanics surrounding this. This is why the male sex toilets has urinals and female sex toilets do not.

Toilets are a place for dealing with a bodily function, not to indulge in gender experimentation.

Otherwise I am not interested in their gender choices, pronouns etc. If they are happy great, but I do not need to be constantly have their gender choices slapped in my face. Neither do I need the associated threats and actual incidents of violence & insults because I do not find their life choices fascinating.

Of course many services offer one to one counselling. But this is presumably no use to a male who requires the presence of women, for whatever reasons.

An interesting thought experiment is to ask why we would have words such as 'women' and 'men' at all if they were not based on biological sex.

The concept of gender identity (the unfalsifiable secular-religious belief in a gendered soul) doesn't make sense if it's not propped up with the cis-construction, because only by forcing everyone to pretend to have the gendered soul is it universal enough to replace biological sex in laws etc.

So people who don't believe in the gendered soul but base being 'woman' or 'man' on the sex of their body are just told that they are wrong, that they do possess a gendered soul but because it just happens to match their sex they don't notice this!

A clever device. It retains the necessary foundation for transitioning of all types by keeping biological sex but it also discards it by that cis-construction! It works very well as long as nobody is allowed to ask what 'woman' now might be, and hence the dog whistle -accusations.

"Where are all the trans women who just hang out in jeans and hoodies like about 80% of the women I know"

Thing is- I am prepared to believe that there are plenty of them. They are just, quite sensibly, keeping their heads down.

Stephen Whittle!

And as I discovered listening to Front Row yesterday, Italian film director Emanuele Crialese.

But I can't think of a middle aged woman who suddenly transitioned (except for Amanda jette Knox )

Where are all the trans women who just hang out in jeans and hoodies like about 80% of the women I know

What does the word ‘woman’ mean if it’s not related to biology? I’ve never seen a convincing answer to this either. Our visitors usually just call it a dog whistle and leave; but it’s a genuine question

I have never seen answer that is convincing. So, I would love to see this answered too.

I think the whole ideology needs to be dismantled.

In law, repealing the GRA and correcting any birth certificates that have been altered using this law. Removing the gender reassignment protection from the EA.

In media, removal of the IPSO regulations that prevent news outlets from reporting in terms of sex.

In schools, teaching about gender identity ideology only in RE lessons, and absolutely not as if its factual.

In medicine, a ban on any 'gender-affirming' care for children, and massively restricting this for adults to be heavily therapy-centred instead.

And so on and so forth. It's harmful and is a regressive step back to a society where conservative gender stereotypes are imposed.

Where are all the middle aged trans men?

Don’t call themselves a lesbian if they are biological male who has a sexual attraction to women. Don’t pressurise lesbians into sex. Respect the need for single sex spaces, sports etc. don’t describe not being able to compete in women’s sports as genocide.

The other thing is women don’t need to do anything when it comes to men

It’s for their own sex class to find solutions. Not us

Just to repeat this

@vibecheck How should women be defined if biology isn’t important and what would be the point in the category? I just don’t understand how it’s relevant having such categories if biology isn’t the reason behind it. Otherwise it’s surely just stereotypes of what men and women do.