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I chased a man out of the changing rooms ----

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betterchange · 07/08/2023 18:08

M+S, ladies'underwear section. It's all cubicles and to be fair, nowhere does it say that it is a women-only changing room, but I think it's likely to be seen as such by most users since it's in the bra-and-knicker-selling section of the shop and there are other changing rooms elsewhere!

A woman came out of one of the changing rooms whilst I was queueing and beckoned a man in. I said, I'm sorry, I don't think you should go in there, this is for women trying on underwear. The woman queried this but I stuck to my guns and the woman behind me in the queue backed me up; the man apologised and left. (It probably helped that they sounded as though English wasn't their first language so they may not have known the "rules"! I think it was a genuine misreading/mistake on their part.)

Anyway, no harm done, but it made me think - that was easy, but if it had been a very obvious man-dressed-as-a-woman, I'm far from sure that I would have felt able to speak out.

In that situation (the man-dressed-as-woman), would anyone here have said anything?

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SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 23:48

AllOfThemWitches · 07/08/2023 23:24

If you're the type of person who laughs at someone because of how they look, what difference does it make who you're laughing at?

I agree, and anyone who laughs at others appearance is awful in my eyes, whether it's the poster laughing at trans people or the one saying they laugh at fat unattractive women.

Cantanna · 07/08/2023 23:34

I was in M&S on Friday and noticed for the first time that the toilets are now gender neutral ...I was with a friend but would not have been happy had my granddaughters had to use them ,knowing males could have been in there .

SpicyMoth · 07/08/2023 23:33

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 07/08/2023 22:00

If it’s anything like our nearest M&S - large out of town kind - then they have abolished women’s changing rooms completely. They have three changing rooms labelled as follows:

  • Men” (because they still get their own space don’t they?!)
  • “Lingerie” - what used to be the women’s changing rooms, but that wasn’t inclusive enough of the men who get their kicks out of trying on and w@nking over women’s underwear. Or those who just like to intimidate women by their presence and to co-opt women’s spaces:
  • “Try it on” - unisex changing room.
So to sum up: men can use all the changing rooms, but women aren’t allowed to change anywhere without men present.

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If that's true, I'm fairly sure they're liable for being discriminatory against women?
I can't remember the exact specifics, but legally there's something about they're not allowed to have a space for one sex exclusively, whilst not offering the same for the other sex - Or something like that anyway :S

JudgeRudy · 07/08/2023 23:31

JellySaurus · 07/08/2023 22:47

Are you for real?

M+S, ladies'underwear section. It's all cubicles and to be fair, nowhere does it say that it is a women-only changing room, but I think it's likely to be seen as such by most users since it's in the bra-and-knicker-selling section of the shop and there are other changing rooms elsewhere!

Until about 5 minutes ago, those changing rooms were labelled WOMEN, and no man would have dreamed of entering. Well, some men would have dreamed of entering the women's changing rooms, but they would have been kept out, both by social convention and by the M&S's policy.

Even now, with all labelling removed, why should any man even think of entering the changing room within the women's lingerie section, where women are likely to be in a state of undress?

If a man wants to try on women's lingerie, there is no reason why he shouldn't. But I wonder why he doesn't do so in the changing rooms situated within menswear?

I am for real. My local M&S has one changing room. It is next to the women's underwear and from experience it seems that its women who use it most often but it's not women only. The larger city store has 2 changing rooms, each on a different floor.
Neither changing room is exclusively for trying on underwear but I do believe bra measuring service is in one only.
This wasn't a man trying on underwear (it would have made no difference to me). It was a man joining his partner so he could view her 'outfit'.

AllOfThemWitches · 07/08/2023 23:24

If you're the type of person who laughs at someone because of how they look, what difference does it make who you're laughing at?

SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 23:23

fat

SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 23:23

AllOfThemWitches · 07/08/2023 23:20

Erm I think this poster was responding to another who said she basically had to fight the urge to laugh at transwomen.

Yes, they still said what they said though. Funny how people keep speaking for the poster who said they fight back the urge to laugh at far or unattractive women but they haven't actually come back to explain whether they do laugh or not at them.

AllOfThemWitches · 07/08/2023 23:20

SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 20:39

It's funny because I always want to laugh at fat or unattractive women - I try not to though.”

I'd much rather be in a changing room with a trans woman than a woman (which you presumably are) with a stinking, sneering judgemental attitude like yours (regardless of if you're trying to hide your smirks)

Erm I think this poster was responding to another who said she basically had to fight the urge to laugh at transwomen.

GCWorkNightmare · 07/08/2023 23:19

ZeldaFighter · 07/08/2023 20:44

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tillyandmilly · 07/08/2023 23:17

I was in Marks trying something on - a woman beckoned her boyfriend or husband for their opinion but luckily the staff member said men were not allowed in the women’s changing area !!👏👏👏👏

GCWorkNightmare · 07/08/2023 23:15

SmileyClare · 07/08/2023 23:14

All M and s changing cubicles have lockable doors now.

I would not feel threatened by a man in that situation.

There’s a special category of porn where men have left hidden cameras in changing rooms. Now they have free access it’s everywhere.

SmileyClare · 07/08/2023 23:14

All M and s changing cubicles have lockable doors now.

I would not feel threatened by a man in that situation.

SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 23:13

&Stop the nonsense there are no Thai ladyboys or the new precious petite youth in our changing rooms, toilets, sports etc*

Why is it nonsense for a poster to point out that there are younger (as in young at age 22) who are trans but can pass more than someone who didnt transition until say in their 40s or whatever?
They know someone who is.
Does it disrupt your "men in wigs" narrative, you don't like to hear it?
Younger trans people exist. If you don't see them, they clearly pass then don't they! Which kind of goes against the " but but I can always tell"

Rewis · 07/08/2023 23:09

I have to say I'm guilty of this. I'm not from the UK and had never experienced single sex fitting rooms before. But learned after being told off that better stay at the store side and wait for partner to make the catwalk 😁

QueenHippolyta · 07/08/2023 23:04

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JellySaurus · 07/08/2023 22:47

JudgeRudy · 07/08/2023 21:21

It isn't clear whether or not it was a female only changing space though. If it was, he shouldn't have entered. If it wasn't....

Are you for real?

M+S, ladies'underwear section. It's all cubicles and to be fair, nowhere does it say that it is a women-only changing room, but I think it's likely to be seen as such by most users since it's in the bra-and-knicker-selling section of the shop and there are other changing rooms elsewhere!

Until about 5 minutes ago, those changing rooms were labelled WOMEN, and no man would have dreamed of entering. Well, some men would have dreamed of entering the women's changing rooms, but they would have been kept out, both by social convention and by the M&S's policy.

Even now, with all labelling removed, why should any man even think of entering the changing room within the women's lingerie section, where women are likely to be in a state of undress?

If a man wants to try on women's lingerie, there is no reason why he shouldn't. But I wonder why he doesn't do so in the changing rooms situated within menswear?

JanesLittleGirl · 07/08/2023 22:45

I am fascinated that many PPs are happily trivialising women's views on the inappropriateness of men in women's fitting areas but none of them will take issue with the Secrets, lies and the GRA thread where they would have to do a bit of mental heavy lifting.

Sorry I can't provide a link to the other thread - a restriction of using the app.

SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 22:34

QueenHippolyta · 07/08/2023 22:17

Easy;
it's Men are required to change in the Men's changing rooms.
Even precious petite delicate flowers like your friend's son is a male.

I don't give a damn about male transexuals and their wants.

Yes, but again you're ignoring when someone is saying that you can't always tell, even if you're insistent "I can always tell because men in wigs!"
No. No you can't. That's the point you keep missing.

Sothisiit · 07/08/2023 22:25

To honestly I really don't see the issue, if you get changed within the cubicle then why would you feel exposed or uncomfortable, he's there with his partner not prowling on his own.
My OH will often come to the male area and give me the nod on clothes I try on.

QueenHippolyta · 07/08/2023 22:17

SmileyClare · 07/08/2023 22:02

I’m not endorsing puberty blockers - just pointing out that many transsexuals from younger generations do not look like “men in wigs”

I don’t see how changing areas can enforce a “no transexual” rule based on appearance.

Easy;
it's Men are required to change in the Men's changing rooms.
Even precious petite delicate flowers like your friend's son is a male.

I don't give a damn about male transexuals and their wants.

Obimumkinobi · 07/08/2023 22:10

I was very recently in an M&S changing room (near the lingerie section) when the member of staff politely prevented a man from entering telling him "I'm afraid you can't go in as there are women trying on underwear". I expect she'll now have to attend some kind of "awareness" training?!

SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 22:06

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Codlingmoths · 07/08/2023 22:03

Teachingteacher · 07/08/2023 18:42

Well done.

I was in a women’s lingerie shop recently, and there was a man sitting outside one of the changing room cubicles (there is a long bench opposite) looking bored scrolling his phone. He was presumably waiting for his partner who was trying on underwear. However, his presence made me really uncomfortable. The fact that he had his phone out even more so.

But I didn’t have the guts to say anything. I have been thinking about it a lot since then and really wish that I spoke up.

Neither my DF nor DH even enter lingerie stores as they feel that they’ll make the other women uncomfortable.

For real? That sounds like Mike Pence who won’t have a meeting alone with a woman or something like that. Men have been buying underwear for women for a long time.

SmileyClare · 07/08/2023 22:02

I’m not endorsing puberty blockers - just pointing out that many transsexuals from younger generations do not look like “men in wigs”

I don’t see how changing areas can enforce a “no transexual” rule based on appearance.

SuperNewMe · 07/08/2023 22:01

Coinicon · 07/08/2023 21:52

I went to tk maxx recently and, even though they have men’s on one side and women’s on the other, two young and slightly rowdy men were on the women’s side trying on clothes and talking/hanging around in the middle of the aisle. I’m not sure why they were on the women’s side tbh. It surprised me how uncomfortable and nervous I felt, and I wish the staff had directed them to the other side but maybe they felt they couldn’t? I wished I’d said something myself, so well done you!

Sorry, your post isn't clear - do you mean they were in the middle of the women's clothing aisle, not the changing room?
Just talking and hanging around on the "women's clothes' side? If so, what's wrong with that?