I chased a man out of the changing rooms ----

How about people use the correct toilets for their sex and if they don't want to how about they wait till they get home rather than bothering the 94% of people who want single sex toilets

'Stop telling other people what they should do'! 🙄

I never thought my daughter would feel and be safer going into men’s toilets than women’s. Those people supporting these aggressive actions should be ashamed as yourselves.

Just use whichever toilet you want to use, or wait until you get home, and stop telling other people what they should do

Good for you 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼
What cunt bags!

Toilets and some other facilities are segregated by sex for good reason. The toilet you should be using is the one that corresponds with your sex, not with the way that you dress or how you wear your hair.

If trans identified people and/or men who like to wear women's clothes don't like that then the obvious solution is to campaign for third spaces. Some new buildings already have this as an option. It seems to work well and serve its purpose. Toilets exist not for the purpose of personal validation - but to provide a measure of dignity and privacy - especially for women and girls in situations and spaces which are predicated on biological difference.

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that’s brilliant! Thank god some people haven’t lost their sense of humour over these numpties getting their knickers in a twist over hoards of non existent men in dresses 😂😂
Thanks

I’ll put the blame where it belongs, thanks! With idiots who think they know which toilets other people “should” be using. Just mind your own business and go and have your pee

@AlphaTransWoman Even if I disagree with gender stuff, as a gnc desister, your body isn't the wrong shape. When I deal with dysphoria and anorexia, I have to scream in all caps in my head MY BRAIN LIES TO ME WHEN THERE IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE DANGER TO FOCUS THIS ANXIETY ON. Also, as someone who is tiny but buys menswear, learn to sew. Learning to alter garments changes the entire silhouette, and saves a lot of money bc you aren't specialty shopping. Refer to yours truly with her amazing blazer she bought from the boy's section.

@BillyNotQuiteNoMates I get that too sometimes from behind, because men entering the ladies is such a problem now that we can't just "mind our own business". I'm tired of getting boxed in by men in my personal space, sitting on piss or jizz on the seat, and asking moids to stop taking selfies where women want privacy.

They did that a while ago after some seriously bad pr over sex assaults and voyeurism. The problem with the changing rooms is that they class a woman as anyone who identifies as 1 so they're still mixed sex

I was in Primark today. The signs have changed. It said These changing rooms are for woman only. For other genders please ask staff.

There's no way I would use changing rooms in shops, particularly gendered ones. The potential for embarrassment is just too great.

To be fair, I get most of my clothes online these days, and the clothes I wear tend to be forgiving in terms of sizing (they have to be since my body is basically the wrong shape). For most trans women it shouldn't be a big issue not to use changing rooms in shops.

If what you claim is true I suggest that you direct your ire at the males who use the women's facilities and are the direct cause of women challenging anyone who appears male, though I've never known any female who can't tell the difference between a man and a woman at 50 paces

Given that my daughter has been abused by women in changing rooms, because she has short hair and wears joggers, in general I’d say that people should mind their own business. (Not particularly aimed at the OP but at those who think they deserve brownie points, but deciding who should or should not be allowed in certain areas, based on people appearance)

I had a surprising (given their recent reputation for allowing men in the women’s changing rooms) experience in M&S recently. I had taken my daughter in to try on some school uniform - my local M&S has women’s section downstairs (fitting room in middle of lingerie section) and upstairs has kids, men’s and homeware sections. The upstairs fitting room is where the men’s and the kids section meets and isn’t labelled (well I could see nothing that said ‘men’s’) so I assumed was a general unisex changing room. The store was empty and no men around in any case and no shop assistant at the entrance.

I took my daughter in, she tried on the clothes and when we walked out a female shop assistant sternly told us “these are the men’s fitting rooms, women’s are downstairs“. I apologised for not having seen a sign and walked away.

on the one hand I felt quite pleased that my local M&S seemed to be keeping men and women changing rooms separate and actively policing it but then I wondered if a man had entered the fitting room in the ‘ladies’ section would they too have been told off and directed to the other changing room appropriate to their sex or would they have been allowed in incase they happen to identify as a woman?

(if I’d been quicker I may have been tempted to reply to stern assistant that I was identifying as a man today…)

Well done. It would be more difficult to find the bravery to tell a man dressed as a woman, because you know you'd be about to have a massive confrontation! However, it's vital that we all do have that confrontation when needed. So, I absolutely would.

I actually don't care if there are no TWs who may be a threat to me in a single sex space. Their presence robs me of my privacy and dignity.

Hmm interesting my post was deleted, let's just say men and transgender men have the same rates of sexual offenses.

So all men, even super special ones in dresses need to be barred from women's single sex spaces.
It's that easy.

I honestly think if any man was to set out to be creepy and harmful, there's much easier ways to go about it than living as a trans person,

I honestly think if any man was to set out to be creepy and harmful there's much easier ways than training for the priesthood.

I honestly think if any man was to set out to be creepy and harmful there's much easier ways than training as a teacher.

I honestly think if any man was to set out to be creepy and harmful there's much easier ways than training for and becoming a sports coach.

I honestly think if any man wanted to enter Female only Colleges in Cambridge in the 1970's to rape the students therein then there are much easier ways to go about it than dressing as a women to get in there.

You see where I am going with this?

Safeguarding against this isn’t typically seen as moral condemnation of a particular demographic. Workers in schools face DBS checks, & men have historically accepted their exclusion from out of women’s spaces because they’re aware of the existence of bad actors.

Absolutely correct.

There's no hatred, judgement or condemnation in seeking to keep transwomen out of women's spaces.

Those very nice transwomen posters know, who live quiet lives like anybody else? It's very nice that you know they wouldn't hurt a fly - but how does anybody else? I know my dh and ddad wouldn't hurt a fly, but how would you know that you were perfectly safe with them, if they went into women's spaces where you were in a state of undress or feeling vulnerable in any way?

(Not that they would enter women's spaces!)

This isn’t to reject inclusion wholesale, or disregard trans people’s needs. I’m not denying the widely recognised issue of how to accommodate them, but am rather seeking to highlight related issues that ARE sometimes denied.

“I honestly think if any man was to set out to be creepy and harmful, there's much easier ways to go about it than living as a trans person”.

That’s right. One of the very easiest ever would be for him to SAY he’s a trans person or NB.

I’m not saying this is usual, common or perhaps even likely. But in a world in which predators seek long-term employment as caretakers & train for years as priests, & many stores are prepared to (or feel compelled to) accept those few words above as a passport to previously single sex spaces, logic says it WILL happen.

Safeguarding against this isn’t typically seen as moral condemnation of a particular demographic. Workers in schools face DBS checks, & men have historically accepted their exclusion from out of women’s spaces because they’re aware of the existence of bad actors.

So @Lavender14, which is which?
I agree with you that males with genuine anxiety about their sexed bodies are a different kettle of fish to the chancers and charlatans, but every male who claims (sincerely or not) to be a woman is nevertheless male. And that is the basis on which they are excluded. There are millions of women in the world, in this country, who are not you. Their boundaries matter as much as yours. If you are happy sharing with male people, go into the unisex facilities. Allow the women who are not happy to do so, or are not permitted to do so, have somewhere to go. Catering for their needs does not prevent you from sharing with males. Go for it.

@ReginaRegina

women who don’t want men in their vicinity when they’re trying to try on bra and knickers are “full of themselves”?!