I chased a man out of the changing rooms ----

Same here. I complained and got a patronising response.

You Meet More Perverts When You're Poor

I'm very happy for you that mixed sex changing spaces have worked out well for you when you now live.

However, given how it's been working out so far in British Primarks and in British mixed sex changing rooms, I think we've tested it sufficiently to say that it doesn't work.

What evidence are you basing this assertion on, Billy?

Transwomen are a very safe demographic.

And you can overuse a phrase, you know. Such as 'give your heads a wobble', which you've employed at least twice so far. Maybe go for a different one next time; perhaps FACT in all caps or END OF.

Same here. I take my dh right into my cubicle with me so he doesn't have to hang about outside, so if I need his help he's right there. Yes it can be cramped and crowded, but why risk upsetting and whole load of women just so I've got a bit more space?

I will ask for more space before I start of the staff member at the changing rooms, and then of the management in an email when I get home. I am not rude about it.

Sometimes we look at them funny.

Absolutely this. Transphobia seems to have become an all encompassing insult to throw at anyone who says no to entitled males

Tbh putting on a wig and lipstick is a bit extra. Just declare your true authentic self, square your stunning and brave manly shoulders and march on in there. No-one, except yourself, can possibly know whether or not you are sincere.

You go.....girl....?

This grips my shit. The club can exclude anybody with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment from a single sex changing room intended for the opposite sex under the Equality Act 2010, Schedule 3, Part 7, Paragraph 28. The club chooses not to do so and then lies to your wife.

The club absolutely could do something if they wanted too. The equality act is clear single sex changing rooms are proportionate & legitimate and completely legal. They’ve just chosen to prioritise not upsetting a man over not upsetting the women

My wife and other members of the sports club she goes to keep complaining to staff about a transvestite in a female changing room. And the club can do absolutely nothing. I wonder if I put a wig and lipsticks would it be ok to spy on women in the shower?

Saying 'no' isn't transphobia.

We've woken up and are ready for action. It is a new day! 😂

You have a very 'flexible' definition of violence it seems to me?

Males are not females. Boundaries often matter.

nope. Curtains, you can see people's feet.

I've never seen or experienced any weird or awful behaviour except a young boy who was running round trying to peer under curtains. A woman in the queue told him to pack it and sit down. He did.

I am aware that these things happen though, so no matter where i am i check what's in the surroundings etc.

Last time i bought bras in M&S (Meadowhall) they had solid cubicles with lockable doors. It was about 5 years ago though.

@Brefugee can I ask are your changing areas inclosed stalls with floor to ceiling walls and actual locking doors, or are they partitioned by flimsy curtains and have large gaps at the top and bottom like we have here?
If you Google Primark and changing facilities you will find multiple examples of men predating on women in them, Primark changing rooms is a category on pornhub its that bad.

where i live (not UK) we still have C&A (but it is the same in other shops too) there aren't dedicated mens & womens changing areas. And there isn't a problem

@BillyNotQuiteNoMates any response to this? It totally debunks your bullshit.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates · Today 08:24

Trans women are more at risk than cis women, or don’t they matter to you?

Perhaps that's true on whichever planet you hail from, but here on Earth, the exact opposite is true.

Who's more at risk can be debated, but it's a red herring because the answer to TW being at risk of violence isn't to allow them into women's spaces.

Please quote your source for that so called statement of fact.
I can tell you for a fact that no trans person has ever been murdered in Scotland, none not a single 1. Yet hundreds of women are every year.
We know that transwomen are 5× more likely to be sexual predators than any other type of men(ONS statistics).
Now I know that you have problems with the dictionary definitions of words so could you please give us your exact definition and an actual example of what you class as violence since you have previously implied that telling a man to leave the women's facilities is, and that's not what most normal people class as violence.

" daring to exist"

Hyperbole on steroids

What violence do men who identify as women experience at the hands of women?

Oh honestly 0/10

time was we had a better class of finger wagger on here

And don’t call us cis, im
not a fucking subset of women

TW are men not women

Well the transphobes are out in full force now. 🙄

Its a statement of fact that trans women are more at risk than cis women are. They attract violence from both cis women and cis men, simply by daring to exist, as evidenced in this thread. 🤬

Give your heads a wobble

Oh and also is a user of “cis”

right

So the person who resurrected a months old thread to scold us just happens ti have a daughter with short hair that women have definitely been mean too in the toilet and also happens to completely buy into TWAW and TW are more vulnerable than actual women

right

No, they are not. Transwomen are male, by definition. Males are and have always posed a greater threat to women than women do to men.

Women tend not to be voyeurs, or peeping toms. Women don't make heavy breathing phone calls to strangers, nor expose themselves to lone men on the street......put cameras beneath toilet stalls.....do not engage with fetishes in the way that males do.

Third spaces are the obvious solution, as already mentioned above, if TW don't feel comfortable in male facilities.