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SPATH - Scottish government treatment protocol for trans care counter to Cass

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 11:59

This looks highly alarming.

https://twitter.com/CanSG_org/status/1686645272129011712

'FOI response has revealed that Chief Medical Officer@DrGregorSmith
has approved SPATH as Scotland's new treatment protocol. GPs will be able to prescribe hormones, & refer patients for surgery, without psychological assessment. This decision goes against@Hilary_Cass
recommendations'

More on SPATH here:

https://forwomen.scot/16/11/2022/spath/

https://twitter.com/CanSG_org/status/1686645272129011712

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dcbc1234 · 02/08/2023 14:22

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2023 12:09

Recipe for disaster. Please tell me the SNP are on track to be wiped out at the next General Election and Scottish Parliament election.

This certainly isn't going to help them if it is brought to enough parents' attention. Or even just to the attention of people who care about other people's children. Surely there must be some way the UK Government can stop them harming Scottish children like this?

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littlbrowndog · 02/08/2023 14:20

What’s specialist chest reconstruction you think arabella ?

SCR

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 14:14

Data on 'trans' surgery numbers

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-2023-000158-transgender-surgical-procedures/

Costs:

(£1.3 million this year to date, as far as the wee table seems to say, although this is only procedures outwith Scotland? It's not very freely given information, despite what they say.)

'Under Section 17 of the Freedom of Information Scotland Act (FOISA) an organisation does not require to provide information if it does not hold that information. NHS National Services Scotland (NSS) does not hold some of this information, such as gender-affirming care, medication and counselling/therapies. National Services Division (NSD) only cover the cost of surgery out with Scotland, the cost of which are detailed in the attached, Appendix 1 – Gender Reassignment Costs.'

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-2023-000179-amount-spent-on-transgender-related-treatments-each-year/foi-2023-000179-amount-spent-on-transgender-related-treatments-each-year-html/

FOI – 2023-000158 transgender surgical procedures | National Services Scotland

Information request and response for FOI Reference: FOI – 2023-000158

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-2023-000158-transgender-surgical-procedures

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DoIWantToGetIntoThisHere · 02/08/2023 14:12

RealityFan · 02/08/2023 14:11

These people not only pierced the hull of the ship, they really want to go down with the sinking ship.

This is pure ideology, as far distant from careful considered researched medicine as you can get.

Again the myth of suicide ideation is used as fake justification.

Did anyone believe that granting self rule to Scotland would have led to this?

Right now Health Secretary Steve Barclay needs to say something, and whatever the final Cass Report instructions are, they need to be imposed on Scotland.

And wait for Youssaf, Anwar and Harvie to bleat that Scots are being put in chains again by the English.

If this is really allowed to proceed, we have no right calling ourselves a civilised society with the welfare of children at the forefront. This is already at risk after Tory rule, but this is just wanton destruction.

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RealityFan · 02/08/2023 14:11

These people not only pierced the hull of the ship, they really want to go down with the sinking ship.

This is pure ideology, as far distant from careful considered researched medicine as you can get.

Again the myth of suicide ideation is used as fake justification.

Did anyone believe that granting self rule to Scotland would have led to this?

Right now Health Secretary Steve Barclay needs to say something, and whatever the final Cass Report instructions are, they need to be imposed on Scotland.

And wait for Youssaf, Anwar and Harvie to bleat that Scots are being put in chains again by the English.

If this is really allowed to proceed, we have no right calling ourselves a civilised society with the welfare of children at the forefront. This is already at risk after Tory rule, but this is just wanton destruction.

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DoIWantToGetIntoThisHere · 02/08/2023 14:10

What the actual fuck?? Someone has done one hell of a job influencing the Chief Medical Officer of Scotland - who are they? How did they get such POWER? I just don’t know how this is all going to end but I’m fucking glad I’ve managed to usher my children through their early/mid-teens unscathed by this. But seriously what’s going to happen if this government doesn’t pay any heed to the fact it is flying in the face of evidence, public opinion and common sense. It’s like it’s suffering from an institutional case of Pathological Demand Avoidance 😡

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 14:09

FOI trying to get information out of them.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202200324041/

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littlbrowndog · 02/08/2023 13:55

Yes exactly jelly.

it’s all smoke and mirrors

who is pushing this in scotland and why?

JellySaurus · 02/08/2023 13:47

Barriers’ to surgery should be removed with surgery seen as a preventative measure rather than to cure distress:

Prevent what?

Cure distress - if you're not distressed by your condition, why do you need to be treated for it? If you are distressed, but surgery it's not considered curative, why cut?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2023 13:45

How can anyone with a smattering of conscience approve of this.

There's the issue.

littlbrowndog · 02/08/2023 13:39

Scotland

my country. Now just chop em up quick as said up thread

what happened to safeguarding in Scotland

magic words whoosh on you go to a miserable medicilased future

Boiledbeetle · 02/08/2023 13:38

rogdmum · 02/08/2023 12:18

I should have linked to this tweet…

https://twitter.com/rogdmum/status/1686667938906963968?s=61&t=8CxL28ZCFDq66yuIWhY6_Q

I've just been on a retweeting spree

Crouton19 · 02/08/2023 13:28

Preventative of what? Eh? What is surgery preventing? This isn't removal of a septic digit or cancerous lumps. How can anyone with a smattering of conscience approve of this.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/08/2023 12:55

Is this a general edict that includes children of all ages?
If it is, it highlights the repeated problem - that of slipping issues relating to children in under the radar with no acknowledgment that children are not mini adults.

Coming from medical professionals that's not only shocking but it's an open safeguarding issue.

duc748 · 02/08/2023 12:49

JanesLittleGirl · 02/08/2023 12:26

Or, to summarise, 'Quick! Chop them up before they change their minds.'

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Tragically, yes. This just awful.

ResisterRex · 02/08/2023 12:49

When it all goes wrong...

Family doctors should be able to sign “shared care agreements” with gender clinics to prescribe drugs as part of an “enhanced service”.

...looks like a good way of passing the buck between two parties, with the wrong party being bounced around a Kafkaesque system for many years.

Janie143 · 02/08/2023 12:40

I know there's a lot more here but wigs are going to be provided. Wigs aren't provided for alopecia or hair loss due to chemo. Yet again certain special people prioritised

Rainbowshit · 02/08/2023 12:28

This is so awful. I'm absolutely furious. 😡

JanesLittleGirl · 02/08/2023 12:26

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2023 12:22

This is extremely concerning, especially the "any questioning or psych assessment is conversion therapy" tone.

‘Barriers’ to surgery should be removed with surgery seen as a preventative measure rather than to cure distress:

• No psychiatric diagnosis of gender dysphoria, patient assessed only for readiness for the hormone or surgical procedure requested.
• Only one opinion needed to refer patient for surgery except in ‘complex’ cases.
• Counselling or psychotherapy “not a prerequisite” before irreversible surgeries.

Or, to summarise, 'Quick! Chop them up before they change their minds.'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/08/2023 12:22

This is extremely concerning, especially the "any questioning or psych assessment is conversion therapy" tone.

‘Barriers’ to surgery should be removed with surgery seen as a preventative measure rather than to cure distress:

• No psychiatric diagnosis of gender dysphoria, patient assessed only for readiness for the hormone or surgical procedure requested.
• Only one opinion needed to refer patient for surgery except in ‘complex’ cases.
• Counselling or psychotherapy “not a prerequisite” before irreversible surgeries.

WrongNameMummy · 02/08/2023 12:13

Hannah Barnes needs to be pursuing this.

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