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SPATH - Scottish government treatment protocol for trans care counter to Cass

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 11:59

This looks highly alarming.

https://twitter.com/CanSG_org/status/1686645272129011712

'FOI response has revealed that Chief Medical Officer@DrGregorSmith
has approved SPATH as Scotland's new treatment protocol. GPs will be able to prescribe hormones, & refer patients for surgery, without psychological assessment. This decision goes against@Hilary_Cass
recommendations'

More on SPATH here:

https://forwomen.scot/16/11/2022/spath/

https://twitter.com/CanSG_org/status/1686645272129011712

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MavisMcMinty · 03/08/2023 01:41

My Trust provided one wig for any chemo/radiotherapy patient, but that was 7 years ago and it’s a pretty easy “efficiency saving” for Trusts to make. When all that’s left to cut is the quality of care and patient satisfaction, that’s what has to go.

mrsmacmc · 03/08/2023 00:31

Janie143 · 02/08/2023 12:40

I know there's a lot more here but wigs are going to be provided. Wigs aren't provided for alopecia or hair loss due to chemo. Yet again certain special people prioritised

Erm my mum got 2 wigs when she was going through her cancer treatment, NHS Sco, I know in England it's not always the case

2Rebecca · 02/08/2023 23:48

I joined the SGP under Harper and left under Harvie. Two very different men. Harper was gentler, willing to listen, didn't think he was right about everything and put the environment first.

Harrythehappypig · 02/08/2023 23:47

Is this actually the current approach (or currently considered to be)? The timing seems so odd with many other countries urging more caution wrt children particularly.

RealityFan · 02/08/2023 22:39

ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 22:33

It's about as extreme as one could possibly get. I'd imagine even among 'gender affirming' proponents this seems reckless, surely?

I maintain my opinion that this is the wheels coming off the trans HGV lorry.

For a debate, all powerful, crashing thru all GC barriers ignoring all resistance.

Now? Losing the plot, crashing towards the cliff edge.

This. Position. Cannot. Hold.

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 22:33

It's about as extreme as one could possibly get. I'd imagine even among 'gender affirming' proponents this seems reckless, surely?

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RealityFan · 02/08/2023 22:27

One thing has been handy from this. We now know what a trans conversion ban will amount to.

ANY dialog even providing some perspective for minimal watchful waiting is absolutely impermissible. Indeed, no dialog is envisaged.
Conveyor belt from first appointment with GP providing puberty blockers to cross sex hormones, straight to a double mastectomy and vaginoplasty, bypassing any talking therapy along the way.

Sheer, sheer madness. And I'm loathe to say it, but it's undeniable...it's evil.

Boiledbeetle · 02/08/2023 22:25

stealtheatingtunnocks · 02/08/2023 16:41

Well, yes, I selectively quoted ans purposefully misquoted to make a point about a secular Scotland’s change of approach to safeguarding. FWR would not be my first choice for an actual sermon.

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Oh I don't know. I would listen to a sermon from you but only if you are reading from the bible used at the church of Tunnocks.

Suffer the middle aged women with diabetes and gout if you over indulge on tea cakes.

hollysmumma · 02/08/2023 22:22

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/08/2023 12:09

Recipe for disaster. Please tell me the SNP are on track to be wiped out at the next General Election and Scottish Parliament election.

We very much hope so!

rogdmum · 02/08/2023 22:19

I’d really encourage anyone concerned about this to email the project team and ask to be added to the distribution list for when the draft standards come out for consultation. At least then they will know it’s not just me kicking up a fuss! 😁

RealityFan · 02/08/2023 22:13

Didn't the leading pediatricians from half a dozen European nations recently release a report effectively slamming the Affirmative Model of teen trans healthcare?

In other words, expressly speaking out against what the Scottish NHS are proposing here.

They didn't get the memo it seems.

RhannionKPSS · 02/08/2023 21:57

I’m absolutely raging about this, but unfortunately not surprised 😡 Scotland, my country, is actively demolishing the safeguarding of our children. However we will carry on fighting just as we did last year.

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 21:47

'My concern that the SGP’s public image has been damaged by its failure to co-operate meaningfully with other interests, including the Westminster government, is reinforced by the huge number of friends, acquaintances and random contacts who have expressed to me an opinion that the Scottish Green Party has lost the plot.'

Yep. It's become an embarrassment. Effectively killed off by internecine politics.

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 21:46

Ah, FFS. He was a good man. A good politician who actually cared about the environment, although I know that's not fashionable in the Greens right now.

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RealityFan · 02/08/2023 21:26

God, he's the spitting image of Mark Drakeford, lol.

ResisterRex · 02/08/2023 21:09

Is this resignation from the Scottish Greens, related? Or coincidental? The letter does reference Cass and the Sandyford:

Greens’ first MSP quits party over trans rights and independence

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bcd9e612-3159-11ee-b862-55515d26d392?shareToken=c8eb040125b7f9cd6e618785d48a02b2

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 19:43

A choice between a left government and my children being put at risk to this dangerous nonsense?

No contest.

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BettyFilous · 02/08/2023 19:38

I didn’t realise magical thinking and a disregard for ethical, evidence-based clinical decision-making was the new NHS way of doing things. Talk about playing into the Tories’ hands. Slow hand clap for the Scottish NHS.

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MavisMcMinty · 02/08/2023 19:26

Janie143 · 02/08/2023 19:19

AN should be all over this as Chole's testimony in the US is what let to his current Terfness. It is even in his home country

Exactly what I thought! Hope some of his new celebrity terf chums will alert him to this.

Janie143 · 02/08/2023 19:19

AN should be all over this as Chole's testimony in the US is what let to his current Terfness. It is even in his home country

duc748 · 02/08/2023 18:22

and hasten a far swifter end to gender affirming care.

Kids are still going to present with gender dysphoria, though, aren't they?

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ArabeIIaScott · 02/08/2023 17:46

If it was all hypothetical I would say that this approach is highly likely to blow up in their faces and hasten a far swifter end to gender affirming care. Much as Isla Bryson did - the Scottish Government push things to an absurd degree, it all goes horribly wrong, the rest of the country stares in horror and learns from our mistakes.

That would be okay if the price to pay wasn't the health and wellbeing of Scottish children.

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Lantyslee · 02/08/2023 16:58

These people are insane. As the parent of a RODG young adult with co morbidities this makes me feel sick. I'm grateful to be in England but the situation could be the same here with a change in government.

medianewbie · 02/08/2023 16:41

Placemarking