University gym "womxn only sessions"

I thought the main point of women only gym or swim sessions was that muslim women can participate without worrying about covering up?

I'm not sure how hijabi muslim women feel about not covering up around trans women or non-binary? But it seems like the aim of these sessions is just "men are excluded just...because"

Not the point but how do you even pronounce that meaningless word?

Comparing black women to transwomen is vile and racist. Of course black women are included in the term woman 🙄🙄

Womxn.

A term used by twxts.

And as for their attempt at keeping women of colour in their womxnly place?

Get tae fuck.

At least with Option A the men will mostly be using the men’s changing rooms!

Option B is almost guaranteed to be creepy and uncomfortable. I really wonder how long the initiative will last for - usually when the women stop going, the men do too.

Surely it should be womXYn!

The cynicism and dishonesty of these fuckers knows no limit, does it? With an added side-helping of racism too.

Well there seem to be 2 types of non binary. One involves an.orange tutu and demanding and being given permission to enter womens spaces because using the mens is triggering because" they arent a man but using the womens isn't equally triggering 🤔

And one involves removal of breasts or binders...

I'll leave you to work out what the difference is.

Still not sure what non binary is.

Womxn is an intersectional term intended to signal the inclusion of those who have traditionally been excluded from white feminist discourse: Black women, women of colour, and trans women.*

The session is for womxn as defined above, are white women allowed ?

I thought the word womxm had been dropped. I’m sure I read that it upset TW’s because TW are women and as such shouldn’t be described as anything but women and not some made up word.

You are correct. The Twitch gaming platform used it a while back and rapidly found out that it apparently is a "terf invention"

https://twitter.com/twitch/status/1366543370257002496?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

This! How are they possibly saying that anyone other than a white woman was not defined as female before? Just beyond bonkers.

So often have I heard the Suffragettes bashed for being middle class. Of course the leadership was! It was the beginning of the 20th C, working class women had no rights and no voice, quite possibly no wherewithal or energy what with their general situation of being society's skivvies. That any of them participated at all is amazing.

How interesting. Claiming that feminism is just about white middle class women and everyone else was excluded.
Good ploy to deride the struggles of women, and make sure that we mind how we behave.

Choice
A. Mixed sessions with men
B. Mixed sessions with men who believe they are women. Men who know they men are excluded.

A. For me anyday. I would feel very uncomfortable with B as the advert is positively promoting and attracting transwomen over women and the black women comment is appalling. I don’t want to be in any group that thought this was good.

Yes 😞 I've heard the arguments that traditional feminism has been modelled on the lives of certain women - the suffragettes were mainly middle or upper class, iirc. However, I have never heard any feminist or woman say that women of colour are not women! That's disgraceful.

I also feel for our sisters of colour who face this shit everyday. I try to do what I can.

Once again the racism shines through. Usualy theres something about butch lesbians too.

The sooner they get it through their thick skills that no ones afraid of butch black lesbians that have had a hysterectomy amd mastectomy or whatever other crap they throw in attempt to pretend we don't think most women are women either, the better. Its just men that are excluded.and if men want a single sex gym session.go ask for one. Stop.infiltrating ours. Why would black women not be included by the word woman? Why would that need a disclaimer of this sort?

No black women do not confuse the definition of woman so much the next logical.step is men can have it too. Sexism Racism and homophobia seems to get a free pass in trans ideology. Its disgusting. Woman means adult human female. Its not a catch all word that covers everyone who doesn't " man" the right way.

I don’t pretend to know the intimate history of feminism and race issues but othering woc on par with biological men in 2023 is shockingly racist to me. Also a very clumsy bit of cloaking, attempting to equate race discrimination with “transphobia” (protecting single sex spaces).

Canterbury is Rosie Duffield’s constituency

This. Probably accusing the uni of racism would be more effective than any other complaint.

I don't even know what to say. I'm appalled and gobsmacked that any organisation thinks this is appropriate. No woman should be made to feel like a second class version of their own sex just because some men would like to pretend they are women.

I'm so sick of this shit and I don't have to contend with the added racism, I can only imagine how fucking wearing this must all feel when this crap is added in as an extra layer of fuck you.
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I am sure that in the entire annals of ‘white feminism’ I could not find a single inference that women of colour have ever been excluded from the term ‘women’.
Falling over themselves to address imaginary wrongs and bathing in righteousness.

Wow how breathtakingly racist. Who are these cunts excluding women of colour from the term "woman"? Most women are not white, absurd to suggest that the word woman only applies to white women, to such an extent that we need a new word. And of course, that word also includes men.

The racist suggestion that women of colour are not women is shocking. I would struggle not to write a complaint about the implicit racism of that description.