University gym "womxn only sessions"

This idea that earlier feminism was racialised and only for white women comes across as an attempt to discredit feminism and divide feminists. Obviously, trying to redefine 'woman' as a set of social stereotypes is pretty anti-feminist.

Do we know if anyone has complained about this?

womxn is an inclusive term which includes people previously excluded from white feminist discourse, such as women of colour and trans women

So insulting to equate black women with males. Also dishonest and insulting to earlier generations of feminists to pretend feminism was only for white women.

It's appalling. Agree the comment equating women of colour with trans women is deeply racist. It used to be done a lot by TRAs. Is it an unthinking link to the US history of segregation? Not relevant to Canterbury but plenty of TRA stuff stems from the US experience.

@MimiGC It’s a good example of ridiculous the situation is. Ie. A session for people who don’t want to train with men, that includes men!

How could that definition not be considered racist hate speech - denying that all women of colour are women? Shocking.

I just showed this to my 16 year old daughter, who is generally very understanding and positive about trans issues and she thought this ad was 'bloody ridiculous'. An indication, I think, that even supporters can be pushed too far too.

I really am done with any lingering sympathy for men who identify as being other than men, as they apparently lack the faintest capacity for inclusiveness or care or sympathy for the class they claim to have joined and do not care what harm they do so long as they get what they want.

'Women wanting and needing space from men is something made up by nasty old white women'.

Tell them that in the third bloody world you very stupid child.

Just used this poster to start a conversation with young adult dc about gender. I tried to point out the contradiction of allowing people ‘identifying ’ as women’ into women’s sessions, designed for people who didn’t want to train with men.

Needless to say, he didn’t get it, and couldn’t quite understands that people like Eddie zizzard, wearing a skirt, shouldn’t be allowed in such sessions.

I did press him on whether you could change sex, and mentioned sport as well. He basically wrote me off as an old woman not understanding stuff. I think I know more than him!

methinks I have work to do.

"womxn is an inclusive term which includes people previously excluded from white feminist discourse, such as women of colour and trans women."

what a load of distorted crap. now they're including men, they're effectively excluding all women, of all colours.

It's part of a movement to undermine women. The younger generation have bought into it hook line and sinker.

I think you are!

You know I'm fairly sure if your average 20ish non binary person discovered that the majority of their mum's friends are actually also non binary they'd be mortified.

Well, I wondered too …

What is Non-Binary?
Denoting, Having, or relating to a gender identity that does not conform to traditional binary beliefs about gender. People may still present femme or masculine and still identify as non-binary.

If I am gender critical. and don’t “conform to traditional binary beliefs about gender” (because I believe gender is a social construct and sex is biology), am I therefore non-binary now?

Is the word woman a swear word FFS?

Jesus. Reading that gives me the rage.

You know that "the good men stay out so the bad men stand out"? Well when it comes to exercise classes, I'll be looking for ones that are mixed sex because then there will be good men in there to balance the ones who don't give a shit about women.

These 'inclusive' so called women only things are now basically using women as a resource for bad men (the boundary pushers) to use. Give me the decent chaps over that any day.

Jesus.
that's a stock photo.

They really could have made a bit of an effort there.

This is such a lame trend. And then there's trans exclusive sessions creeping in.

Women simply don't count.

Interesting image they've chosen to advertise their 'womxn' sessions for the excluded minority groups who are their target audience.

What appears to be an attractive young white woman in gender conforming gym gear...

So if a group of blokes turn up at the wrong time they can just go 'damn it's women's hour - just say we are women and we can go it'

What?? So women of colour are not women? How the hell have they got away with that piece of excrement without being prosecuted?
Between that and the Costa thread my blood pressure is suffering today.

My friend who is an observant Muslim and wears a hijab self-excluded from women-only swimming sessions that were changed to allow 'anyone who identifies as a woman'. That was her main form of exercise.
She was and continues to be furious about it, of course.

Or eyes, even.

🤦‍♀️ at “these sessions are for people who don’t feel comfortable exercising with men” - women, then?

This ideology is eating itself up before our very eye.

Exactly this.